Cholm...thoughts....

[Pascal H.]

Pascal at all respect, can be I not really well I write on English, but shild CHOLM from the earth is shown in this section not as the proof of originality but only as an example of shield which was in fight.
For originality it is enough to show shield CHOLM removed from a single-breasted coat of the prisoner of war and which is in the Museum of anti-fascism in Russia. And CHOLM from the earth just as a pleasant bonus
And I already wrote that it is necessary to use a set of sources of information, and objects from the earth this also good proof, but not the only thing. It is surprising that you haven't read it.

Don't worry Yury, I've read your comments on how you determine the authenticity of a shield but I don't think it is fair to keep confronting you with your mistakes and wrong conclusions

On originality. A priori any metal Shields Krim made by stamping can be considered as the original. Therefore usually apply the following methods of a research to determination of originality:
- documentary images
- stay in the museums
- archeological excavations on places of fights and ect...
On set of the given factors becomes possible to define originality of this or that Shields. If the Shields doesn't correspond to these criteria, then it is possible to consider it original only conditionally. IMO
Therefore preparation of materials for the book on Shields required 15 years to collect an inofrmation and to receive confirmations on all Shields which are in the market and in collections. It has as a result turned out that no more than 60% of Shields existing in the market of military antiques of all are original. But also after the edition of the book, two more Shields on which there were doubts have received the confirmations on originality.

Let me set one thing straight, I don't question this type of Cholm shield as it is 100% original. It is the methods of how you determine the originality which I question;

- documentary images, if you mean photographs then these can be easily faked. So no definite proof (unless you took the picture).
- Stay in museums, you probably haven't visited many museums but if you did you would be surprised how many copies they exhibit. So no definite proof.
- archeological excavations on places of fights and ect.. As you already explained these can be faked. So again no definite proof.

Kr
Pascal

[Antonio Scapini]

Antonio, of course we are Russians ridiculous You only by 2018 have decided to look at an honourable ring of CC under a microscope and that, the conversation on it goes already on 50 pages. And "funny Russians" have studied such ring still in the late eighties at the Moscow jewelry plant, and have also taken samples of silver and have defined technologies for which such ring of CC was produced. Then at the same plant have made the full copy (of old silver) which even the professional jeweler when comparing couldn't distinguish from the original

That thread is a joke, since I've never shared the real data I have in hands.
I only wanted to show what "experts" said and that they cannot support any of their statements.
I still have all the most important data to share...
About russian guys I would like you to show the results of their research and how the TK rings were made.
Since now, as far as I know, they still don't know the truth, they only went close, but they still miss something.
Please, share their results.

[HeinzGrimberg]

Hmm.... Museums do not exhibit only 100 percent of the original.

MUSEUMSANFERTIGUNG



https://www.weitze.net/cgi-bin/suche...UMSANFERTIGUNG

[Stive]

Yes, I agree with you, in the general exposition open for visitors in many museums expose copies. But in a case with shild CHOLM, this shild ключен in the catalog of the museum, has special number and is stored in storage of the museum, together with other rare awards.