Thoughts on this Cholm...magnetic..appreciate your reviews...
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Nice, but new cloth ( was changed - wartime or now ).Comment
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Originally posted by Pitomnik View Post
I agree with Pitomnik, original with replaced or added cloth.
Kr
Pascal
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Thank you for responses...there are tiny thread loops from tunic removal around the edges...think this may have been on here before with positive responses...it is from the Guild....Originally posted by Pascal H. View PostComment
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Shield looks good.
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stitching remnants...
here are some of the stitching remnants, tiny loops remaining from tunic removal...just an fyi....Originally posted by Pascal H. View PostComment
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Hi Pink
......I agree with the gentlemen that have responded previously, including the assessment that the cloth is not original to the shield.
Vast quantities of wartime thread remained after the cessation of hostilities, and can still be purchased today. Using wartime era thread to create the impression that a good shield has been removed from a tunic is a common ruse, used by some sellers in order to inflate prices.
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Nearly 90% of all shields CHOLM which are in collections are boards from families of 2500 dead in an environment of the German soldiers and received a posthumous award. shields CHOLM which are involved in fights which the sporola from a uniform practically doesn't come across. Guaranteed fighting boards those which are found in the earth in places of fighting.
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Thanks to everyone for your input and thoughts....in nearly 47 years of collecting 3rd Reich, this is my first foray into "proper original shields"....not to say I haven't had them all over that many years but in those days there weren't many places to turn to seek information, except to the old dealers who 'knew everything'....think we have all been there...
This is what makes this, and other forums on the subject, so important and a wealth of information, and in some way, comforting to those of us who wish to conserve pieces of history.
Cheers to all..
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With all respect but I think it is incredibly how you can switch your opinion on being ground dug as no reason for being original as you stated in the thread on Krim shield to your last post as being an important aspect of being original.Originally posted by Stive View PostNearly 90% of all shields CHOLM which are in collections are boards from families of 2500 dead in an environment of the German soldiers and received a posthumous award. shields CHOLM which are involved in fights which the sporola from a uniform practically doesn't come across. Guaranteed fighting boards those which are found in the earth in places of fighting.
Looks like you using this argument to suite your needs. Strange but this not our way on how to explain the authenticity of these artifacts.
I am sure you are in the possession of better pictures of this Cholm shield as from these pictures I could never tell if it's original or not.
You commented on the appearance of the Krim shield as a ground dug found but did you had a good look of the ground dug found of the Cholm shield you posted? Does this really look to you like an iron sheet shield being buried in the ground for decades?
Kr
Pascal
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Can you prove what you say with historical evidences?Originally posted by Stive View PostNearly 90% of all shields CHOLM which are in collections are boards from families of 2500 dead in an environment of the German soldiers and received a posthumous award. shields CHOLM which are involved in fights which the sporola from a uniform practically doesn't come across. Guaranteed fighting boards those which are found in the earth in places of fighting.
Why 90%? Where this percentage comes from? Official documents or simply your opinion?
How many shields were awarded to each soldier? And how many sent to the families of the dead soldiers?
How many shields were bought from survivors from LDO shops?
How many were used on uniforms?
Furthermore posting a ground dug specimen, in low resolution you simply are (as Pascal already said) switching your opinion... Any coherence on what you say?
You russian guys are really funny...
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I like this Shield¡¡ not my favourite from all of them but nice and rare
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Pascal at all respect, can be I not really well I write on English, but shild CHOLM from the earth is shown in this section not as the proof of originality but only as an example of shield which was in fight.Originally posted by Pascal H. View Post
For originality it is enough to show shield CHOLM removed from a single-breasted coat of the prisoner of war and which is in the Museum of anti-fascism in Russia. And CHOLM from the earth just as a pleasant bonus
And I already wrote that it is necessary to use a set of sources of information, and objects from the earth this also good proof, but not the only thing. It is surprising that you haven't read it.Comment
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Antonio, of course we are Russians ridiculousOriginally posted by Antonio Scapini View Post You only by 2018 have decided to look at an honourable ring of CC under a microscope and that, the conversation on it goes already on 50 pages. And "funny Russians" have studied such ring still in the late eighties at the Moscow jewelry plant, and have also taken samples of silver and have defined technologies for which such ring of CC was produced. Then at the same plant have made the full copy (of old silver) which even the professional jeweler when comparing couldn't distinguish from the original 
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