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**AndyC** · 11-23-2017, 12:51 AM

I can now see with the better pictures that they are not the low 4 fake.
Strange with the drilled holes and no prongs.

Andy

**Simon O.** · 11-23-2017, 01:12 AM

Originally posted by Железный View Post

What relation do the Waffen-SS have to Narvik? ...

Not sure what that has to do with anything in this context but FWIW i know of at least one later W-SS officer who was at Narvik whilst in the KM.

You have to take into consideration the fact that almost 5 years passed between the Narvik campaign and the end of the war. During that time more than a few who qualified for the award transferred to other units or even arms of service.

**Zheleznyi** · 11-23-2017, 02:16 AM

You seriously think that a 73 year can will be the original thing in excellent condition that before that no one has seen? With this approach can be any copy add to the original. This is amateurish approach.

**Pascal H.** · 11-23-2017, 03:23 AM

Thanks for the additional pictures.
Yes, I believe these shields to be real.
I think this is the so called "Juncker" type shield or type 3 in the pinned thread.

Here is a comparing picture of both shields

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**Pascal H.** · 11-23-2017, 03:27 AM

Now what is fascinating are the holes in the shield.
Have a look at the picture in Nimmergut's book "Deutsche Orden und Ehrenzeichen" and compare it with the shields posted in this thread.

Kr
Pascal

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**Welsh RS** · 11-23-2017, 04:35 AM

Originally posted by AndyC View Post

I can now see with the better pictures that they are not the low 4 fake.

Strange with the drilled holes and no prongs.

Andy

Thanks for your comment Andy, that's good news that they aren't the lower 4 fake..

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**Welsh RS** · 11-23-2017, 04:38 AM

Originally posted by Железный View Post

You seriously think that a 73 year can will be the original thing in excellent condition that before that no one has seen? With this approach can be any copy add to the original. This is amateurish approach.

That is like saying nothing can be in mint condition after 73 years.. when clearly they can as you find a lot of mint/unissued items in this hobby.

Also, that means no new discoveries can be found ever ? The book is written, case closed and doors shut on everything ? That seems to be a foolish approach..

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**Welsh RS** · 11-23-2017, 04:45 AM

Originally posted by Pascal H. View Post

Now what is fascinating are the holes in the shield.
Have a look at the picture in Nimmergut's book "Deutsche Orden und Ehrenzeichen" and compare it with the shields posted in this thread.

Kr
Pascal

Very interesting when comparing these two photos side by side Pascal.. they seem to have holes in the same places

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**Zheleznyi** · 11-23-2017, 08:02 AM

Originally posted by Pascal H. View Post

Thanks for the additional pictures.
Yes, I believe these shields to be real.
I think this is the so called "Juncker" type shield or type 3 in the pinned thread.

Here is a comparing picture of both shields

Prototypes?

**jlga** · 11-23-2017, 08:01 PM

very nice shields

**Welsh RS** · 11-23-2017, 08:04 PM

Originally posted by jlga View Post

very nice shields

Thanks for your kind comment jlga, appreciate it.. what features can you see that you like ? I'm trying to learn about these shields as much as I can...

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**jlga** · 11-23-2017, 08:14 PM

Originally posted by Welsh RS View Post

Thanks for your kind comment jlga, appreciate it.. what features can you see that you like ? I'm trying to learn about these shields as much as I can...

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No problem, we are all here to learn and is the right place by all means, having said that as Pascal said correctly is got the typical Juncker features which he has al ready shown to us all, as for the hole, could they be done for attaching the shields into the uniform?, do they have intact prongs?

**Welsh RS** · 11-23-2017, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by jlga View Post

No problem, we are all here to learn and is the right place by all means, having said that as Pascal said correctly is got the typical Juncker features which he has al ready shown to us all, as for the hole, could they be done for attaching the shields into the uniform?, do they have intact prongs?

Yes I believe that is what they are for, the golden/copper coloured shield still has remnants of thread in the holes.. one is attached to a piece of backing material and has a label if you check the photos where I first posted..

No backing prongs or backing plates are present on these shields.. photos of the reverse of each Shield is on this thread also

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**jlga** · 11-23-2017, 08:23 PM

Apologies, did not see them, definetely those were made for attaching the shields into ths uniform

**Welsh RS** · 11-23-2017, 08:28 PM

Originally posted by jlga View Post

Apologies, did not see them, definetely those were made for attaching the shields into ths uniform

No need to apologise my friend... I was simply telling you so that you could see them [emoji1303]

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