Cholm - original or fake?

[Gene]

If the shield from KBH is indeed a fake then how do you explain that we haven’t seen more of these shields before?

We all know this forum is being mined by the fakers and forgers for information on how their stuff looks. We give opinions and pointers on what to look for, and the fakers/forgers make the necessary adjustments. This piece may be the first run of a series to get reactions and invite comment, all to be used in future pieces. I am not saying that Vladimir is in on this, in any way.

[KBH]

We all know this forum is being mined by the fakers and forgers for information on how their stuff looks. We give opinions and pointers on what to look for, and the fakers/forgers make the necessary adjustments. This piece may be the first run of a series to get reactions and invite comment, all to be used in future pieces. I am not saying that Vladimir is in on this, in any way.

Привет Жене!
Thank You, Gene. I'm understood Your opinion. My respect.

With regards,
Vladimir

[Stijn David]

Cholmshield

Hello,


@ Pascal :

A) As far as i see the shield of Ardennes has everything as the textbook awarded shield has. Except the fact that it is non magnetic as far as i could read a bit earlyer. That would be a first for me and i would love to see that shield in the flesch (might be possible as it resides probably in Belgium) to examine it. After that i will be able to share my conclusion with you.

(@ Ardennes: I will contact Ardennes about this so we might work something out in order to be able to see the shield in real life (mayby at some SKF meeting in Brussels ? see also : http:www.skf-vzw.org ).

B) i do follow the exact thoughts as Gene on the Shield of KBH.

Cordial greetings,

[Stive]

Dear friends!
Cholm shield of Ardennes is original of course. But why did you decide that it had been made from zinc? It seems that shield of Ardennes is from steel because it has typical steel surface and rust changes.

[ardennes1944]

Dear friends!
Cholm shield of Ardennes is original of course. But why did you decide that it had been made from zinc? It seems that shield of Ardennes is from steel because it has typical steel surface and rust changes.

good evening,
the plate late is out of steel but the shield is out of silver plated zinc.

phil

[bnz. 42]

Privet KBH,
I have only one XOЛM no uveren na sto this shield is fake.

[Pascal H.]

@Gene, the shield of Phil, of which is also think it is original, looks a lot like the one you had once in your collection. If I am not mistake it is now in Yuri’s collection.
Don’t you think they’re the same type?

KR
Pascal

[Pascal H.]

So far everybody contributing this thread is either under the impression that the shield from KBH is a fake, or even has declared that the shield is a fake.
Now how is it that when some collectors have the knowledge that shield IS a fake nobody came up with any reason for WHY this shield is a fake.

I believe that one of the main purposes of this forum should be the sharing the knowledge on these items. This has nothing to do of being right or wrong. I am under the impression that KBH shield is original but when proven otherwise I would the very glad as not only me but I am sure a lot of other collectors would have gained more knowledge on these shields and effectively saved a lot of money.

How better to say it the Polux already did and I quote “Let us not to forget. We are a small group of persons which let us share the same interest for a dark period of our history.”

So if you have any information on why KBH’s shield is a fake then please share this with us.

Personally I don’t believe in the theory that this piece could be the first from a run of fakes to get reactions and incite comments.
Although this shield is maybe new to some of us it is in fact being around for a long time. Reason for this is a letter of authenticity for this type of shield by Dr Klietmann written in 1985.

KR
Pascal

[KBH]

Although this shield is maybe new to some of us it is in fact being around for a long time. Reason for this is a letter of authenticity for this type of shield by Dr Klietmann written in 1985.


Pascal, i'm sorry what the letter by Dr Klietmann? Tell me please.

[KBH]

Privet KBH,
I have only one XOЛM no uveren na sto this shield is fake.

Good Russian

[Gene]

Klietmann? You do realize how negatively he is viewed, right?

[Pascal H.]

Klietmann? You do realize how negatively he is viewed, right?

I don’t remember me referring in any way to the credibility of Dr. Klietmann. The letter of authenticity however proves that (if indeed proven a fake) this type of shield has been around for more then 20 years.

KR
Pascal

[Stijn David]

Cholm shield

Hello,


Please do show us the letter of authenticity + a large and detailed scan of the picture as shown so we non believers can convince ourselves.


Cordial greetings,

[bnz. 42]

Hello,


Please do show us the letter of authenticity + a large and detailed scan of the picture as shown so we non believers can convince ourselves.


Cordial greetings,

letter of authenticity, detailed scan? Do you think Pascal is bs'ing here? Stijn, you are plain rude.

[Stijn David]

Cholmshield

Hello,


@bnz.42 : sorry if my language was sounding as rude, no intention to. Just wanting to learn something also as we non believers are asked for what and why, then it is not so unnormal that we ask for a few things also. Don't you think so ? Or is that also rude ?

I am on the other hand intriged by why Pascal is such a believer, it looks like he has seen more of these one way or the other and that would be of general interest also i think?

Cordial greetings,