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    Interesting Cholm Shield

    Here is a strange Cholm shield. The iron shield has 2 factory applied holes, one on top and one on the bottom. It is attached to the original backing and the holes do not go through the metal backplate. Has anyone seen another like this?

    Bob Hritz
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    In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

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    In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

    Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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      In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

      Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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        #4
        Bob, it's a complete fake
        WAF LIFE COACH

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          #5
          Hi Bob.

          From what I have seen before, I'll say that the condition of the cloth is far too good for a badge in such aged condition.
          Also I would be very suspicious with a badge with holes in it.

          So all in all in my humble opinion it is a copy.

          Best regards
          kristensen

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            #6
            Dear Bob,

            Could it be that a good shield was mounted on a fake cloth and backing paper? Would the prongs be original to the shield in that case or maybe remains of the fake shield that was mounted on the fake cloth/paper before? Hard to tell with your pics, but IMO the shield itself stands some chance which should be investigated. The holes are a sign That the shield could have been sown on a uniform.
            Cheers, Frank

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              Thank you Frank. The shield is from a veteran's basement, in Chicago. The shield is not worn at all, just browned from the humidity of living below the level of Lake Michigan. The rust/browning has slightly stained the wool. around the perimeter of the shield.

              I can't provide any other information, as the man who brought it back is dead. The shield is the same as my other steel example, the wool appears to be wartime, and the paper has been on this for a long time. I cannot imagine a veteran caring enough to try to repair/restore a souvenir.

              I do believe it was assembled, as it now is, during the WWII era. Fot the life of me, I can't understand the 2 holes, which do not go through the back plate. If they did, I could believe it was reinforced so it wouldn't fall off.

              I was going to sell it on the E-stand, but wanted to make sure it had no problems. Well, looks like it goes into the collection as I dont want anyone to have any second thoughts.

              Bob Hritz
              In the land of the blind, the one eyed man is king.

              Duct tape can't fix stupid, but it can muffle the sound.

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                #8
                I Can Not Atest To Real Or Not,but Do Have One Like This.although The Material Is Grey For Lw,the Eagle Has The Two Punched Holes.this One Has No Back Plate .
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                    Amazing another one has appeared over on the "other" forum with almost identical characteristics and backing cloth:

                    http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopi...=0&gopid=23068&

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                      #11
                      Hi mate, if it helps i've got an old book published in America in the 70's about third reich awards and a lot of the pics have medals with holes in them including sheilds where i think they were attached to a board, this could possibly the case with your example??

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                        #12
                        Most original shield with holes in them are the shields where the prongs have been broken off and the recipient made holes in the shield to sew it back on to his uniform.

                        I had such a Cholm shield in my collection.

                        KR
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                          Originally posted by wehrpasswilly
                          Hi mate, if it helps i've got an old book published in America in the 70's about third reich awards and a lot of the pics have medals with holes in them including sheilds where i think they were attached to a board, this could possibly the case with your example??
                          Hi Willy, those medals and awards shown in Jack Pia's book "Nazi Regialia" were from the IWM in London. That is the kind of attrocity they used to do to awards about 30 odd years go I have actually seen them on display like that. Thankfully times have changed!

                          Cheers, Ade.

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                            #14
                            Guys,
                            Let's just get something straight here, is this Shield (posted by Bob) real or not?

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                              #15
                              Hard to tell from these picture and maybe worth further investigations but from what I can make out from these pictures I wouldn’t like to have this shield in my collection.

                              Very strange that suddenly 3 identical shields turn up……………

                              Cholm shields are very rare and there aren’t a lot of original shields around. Stijn Davids just wrote a very impressive article about a Cholm veteran see also this thread article on posthumously awarding of the Cholmshield etc..

                              So to be sure if this shield is original or not one needs definite much better scans as it is impossible to tell from these scans.

                              KR
                              Pascal

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