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**Nigel N** · 04-08-2018, 01:05 PM

Looks ok to me, should be a later S&L...
-Nigel

**Matthieu** · 04-08-2018, 02:19 PM

Looks like more modern made piece ... strange to see solid copper rivets there though.

**Alex W.** · 04-08-2018, 02:45 PM

I don‘t believe this is a S&L produced German Cross either. It looks like the typical modern fakes that can be found on the great auction site.

Regards,
Alex

**Nigel N** · 04-08-2018, 04:12 PM

Whats the tell tale signs Alex....as it is a very convincing looking piece....
Is it the solid copper rivets, the stippled look to the backplate or something else??
-Nigel

**Alex W.** · 04-08-2018, 04:33 PM

Originally posted by Nigel N View Post

Whats the tell tale signs Alex....as it is a very convincing looking piece....
Is it the solid copper rivets, the stippled look to the backplate or something else??
-Nigel

Nigel, to me the wreath shows too little details, the starburst color doesn’t look like the correct S&L tone but rather identical to modern fake pieces. The stippled backplate is also something I have not seen on a S&L DKiG.
It might be different in person, but to me this DKiG just looks wrong for a S&L German Cross. „Modern“ made S&L DK‘s just look nicer.
I believe this fake is made by the same people who make the modern „S&L - looking“ badges using hardware that try’s to imitate late S&L hardware.

**Nigel N** · 04-08-2018, 04:38 PM

You could well be right there Alex!!
Many of the recent fakes are based on S&L 's designs, and the differences between modern made S&L and modern made fakes are getting less easy to see!!
-Nigel

**novara** · 04-08-2018, 05:43 PM

Guys, to be honest if this is a fake, then it is the "best" I have ever seen. Even in person this piece looks very nice, the hardware seems totally convincing, no ugly soldering under the catch.... to be honest this is scary.

**Nigel N** · 04-08-2018, 05:56 PM

I wouldn't write it off just yet Andrew.....
We'll try and compare with known later S&L pieces and see if any of the details that worried Alex show up on those............
If they haven't been seen before then...........

-Nigel

**Yubari** · 05-20-2018, 02:00 PM

I dont like this one! even 90s S&L has better details!

**Tony T-S** · 05-20-2018, 10:18 PM

What ever is going on with that back plate? The paint on the starburst looks very thick, but it may just be the photo. Curious piece.

**Tom B** · 05-21-2018, 11:28 AM

I don't like it. Tom

**Operation Cobra** · 05-21-2018, 12:02 PM

I am not a big fan of it either for all the reasons mentioned. As soon as you see it you sense something wrong. Gut feeling but all the points are relevant.

**novara** · 05-21-2018, 01:50 PM

Let me just post a few more photos.

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**novara** · 05-21-2018, 01:55 PM

...and some others.

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