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**Gordon Williamson** · 09-21-2002, 11:25 AM

Or what this is ? Clue - its not an attempt to create a fake 1813.

**R v Kempen** · 09-21-2002, 11:33 AM

it looks like the KvK1 is a 2 piece construction

Richard van kempen

**Gordon Williamson** · 09-21-2002, 11:55 AM

Richard,

You are absolutely right. It is an original wartime Deumer piece. After the war, they used up old stocks of wartime pieces by soldering the "new" 1939 centre over the top of the swastika. The reverse still carries the Deumer "3" Präsidialkanzlei mark

Now what about the EK anyone ?

**Andy Mac** · 09-21-2002, 02:01 PM

EK11

The EK11 looks like it's been re-worked, perhaps to de-nazify?
I'm not sure about the rounded corners though, they look too rounded.

Regards
Andy Mac

**Gordon Williamson** · 09-21-2002, 03:13 PM

The EK2 is a Souval "1957" piece. Using up stocks of old frames but with a plain blank centre. They made the EK1 the same way.
In fact Steinhauer actually also made a "1957" Knights Cross with a plain centre, no oakleaves.

**C.C.Reilly** · 09-21-2002, 05:32 PM

Quick note for Gordon

Hello Gordon,

Got your new book today, and think that it is great. Fantastic reference and information.

Chris

**Frank Heukemes** · 09-22-2002, 06:13 AM

Dear Gordon,

I bet many people owning such a two piece 1957 KVK1 will try to pry off the new center piece to "restore" it into a wartime item. While nobody should do this, it would be interesting to know if this could be done and what traces it would leave with the item. E.g, is the new center soldered on in just some, let´s say 4, points or is it a massive glob of solder that "ruined" the whole swaz? Are you able to see that by looking at the item or did you ever see a "cracked" one?

Cheers, Frank H.

**Stijn David** · 09-22-2002, 06:34 AM

placed on date

Hello Frank,

Regarding the war merit cross , it would have no use in removing the dated center as i have seen such pieces already and the swas. was not under it => it was just a plain area , so iff you encounter such a piece keep it as it is , etc ...

Cordial Greetings,

**George Stimson** · 09-22-2002, 10:02 AM

1957 KVKs

Maybe they made some with plain, empty (de-Nazified) centers for vets who wanted them postwar, and then when the 1957 versions were authorized they brought them up to date by affixing the dated center to them as the '57 design called for.

George

**Frank Heukemes** · 09-23-2002, 06:16 AM

Exactly. So I think my question is still vaild, isn´t it?

Cheers, Frank H.

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