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    #16
    I also bought another photo of Behnke to add to the group..........medals 475.jpg
    sigpic 57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"

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      #17
      And one last view of the RK, my best present...EVER!!! -Nigelmedals 465.jpg
      sigpic 57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"

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        #18
        Although I am not attracted to the 2nd pattern cores, this looks to me like a very good quality RK wich I wouldn't mind having in my collection
        The fact that it is named is a nice bonus!

        You better take very good care of your wife....she must love you a lot giving you such a beautifull and expensive present !
        Last edited by LuckyLuudje; 12-25-2009, 08:19 AM.

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          #19
          Congratulations, Nigel.
          I don't know for what first the wife or the little interesting group.

          It is always nice that you can research the owner of the cross.
          Here's a link to site with a lot RK winners. Of course Behnke is in that list.

          http://www.ritterkreuztraeger-1939-4...Startseite.htm

          It seems he also got the Krim shield.
          If you have trouble reading German let us know and we'll help you out. There's a description how he won his RK. A brave man who could take a lot of pain it seems. He was shot in the pelvis and stayed with his troops to return them safely to the regiment.

          Great christmas gift, Nigel.

          Best wishes

          stijn

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            #20
            icon_cheers.gif Cheers guys, and thanks for the link Stijn
            Forgot to mention, its a "C" frame on this one!! - Nigel
            sigpic 57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"

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              #21
              What in hell have you done that your wife makes such presents
              Congratulations on this great 2nd pattern RK AND on such a wife
              Looks like an early 2nd pattern one with a very nice c-frame. I like the provenance too, it´s very interesting to read this mans story......

              From 29.11.1941 to the 16th Mixed company of the now Jäger Regiment 49, where he is promoted on 01.12.1941 chief hunter. Furthermore, he takes from 01.04.1942 to 30.09.1942 on 10 Officer candidate training course at the Infantry School, Dresden participated. There, he was appointed to sergeant and OA on 01.09.1942, 26.09.1942 and promoted to lieutenant on the reserve.
              On 01.01.1943 the 14th (Tank hunters) Company of the Grenadier Regiment 668, the 370th Assigned Infantry Division, will be on 31.10.1943 the lines of the 370th Infantry Division in the Nogai steppe attacked by the enemy. It succeeded the platoon leader Behnke, hold together with the remains of an infantry battalion, which he had placed himself, the town Koltschakowka against strong enemy attacks. He was severely wounded in the evening by a Beck shot. Nevertheless, he led his battle group in the night, back, taking with him all the wounded, without cover through the desert to the regiment. The successful defense of the battle group Behnke has enabled the division, as planned, due to their associations are organized and build on the Dnieper, a new defensive position. For this defensive success Behnke received the Knight's Cross on 20/01/1944.

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                #22
                Hey Nigel, does your woman have any sisters?

                A nice 2nd pattern RK there, but I'm not sure what to make of that case. It's still a nice group, though.

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                  #23
                  Just WONDERFUL Nigel! Both Gale AND the cross!!!

                  And if those two weren't enough you have his HAND SIGNED ID book too! WOOHOO!!! Really great stuff with which to commemorate a brave soldier. He was brave in combat and also brave to join Seylidtz army! Excellent addition buddy! A Merry Christmas to be sure!!!

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                    #24
                    Cheers my friends!! and thank you Rudiger for taking the time to type out the details of his combat experience!!
                    The case is not the usual one you find George, but its certainly old, i think i remember seeing a similar one in David's collection, with a nice 1st pattern in it
                    Dont know what i did to deserve this present, but its made for a great Christmas!!!xmas-smiley-031.gif -Nigel
                    sigpic 57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"

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                      #25
                      A lovely 2nd pattern bulking with history, Nigel . Wish we could all have such understanding wives / girlfriends / family .

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                        #26
                        Originally posted by knockoffnigel View Post
                        The case is not the usual one you find George, but its certainly old, i think i remember seeing a similar one in David's collection, with a nice 1st pattern in it
                        Hello

                        First off, a very nice and desirable 2nd pattern RK, with a great attribution

                        As you say, the case isn't one of the usual ones that you find with a new form RK. The ones with the slightly rounded inner corners and black 'mushroom' style button are known 57ers, as they are in the EK/KVK cases, but there is also a modern reproduction version of this as well. The repro one with the 'mushroom' push button is most frequently encountered as an 'LDO' marked case, but occasional is plain. Nigel, could you please post some shots (full face on) of the top and bottom of the case, as well as close on shots of the push button and rear hinge, and describe what is under the white upper lid linning, e.g. foam or sponge like substance, a harder, uneven 'flocking' type substance, cardboard or what have you. Is the white linning UV negative or not?

                        Yes, I do have a case that is similar, and which is thought to be a legitmate 57one.

                        Regards
                        David

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                          #27
                          Hi David, i'll try and post some photo's tomorrow, but the underside of the case is the same as yours with angled edges to case (if you know what i mean)The case is also really well made, heavy and of good quality.
                          The padding under the lid liner is quite a stiff material, not foam or sponge, its all u v negative!!
                          I've seen the repro's in this style, but i did'nt think for a minute this was one, do you see any red flags David??
                          sigpic 57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"

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                            #28
                            Originally posted by knockoffnigel View Post
                            Hi David, i'll try and post some photo's tomorrow, but the underside of the case is the same as yours with angled edges to case (if you know what i mean)The case is also really well made, heavy and of good quality.
                            The padding under the lid liner is quite a stiff material, not foam or sponge, its all u v negative!!
                            I've seen the repro's in this style, but i did'nt think for a minute this was one, do you see any red flags David??
                            No, nothing based on the photos so far. Given the description of the underside, a quick question which may save you having to photograph it. On the outside top portion of the case, is there a thin, faint line that runs all the way around the edge? The material used under the white inner linning. Does it feel ridged if you (carefully) run a finger nail sideways across it?

                            Thanks.

                            Regards
                            David

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                              #29
                              David, i can't see any line around the lid, but its well worn, almost to the point of smooth!
                              Under the lid liner,there are definite ridges i can feel, running vertically across the lid! The wadding or whatever it is finishes about a quarter of an inch from the top of the lid!! Anything like yours?? -Nigel
                              sigpic 57ers...."The Devil Is In The Detail"

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                                #30
                                Originally posted by knockoffnigel View Post
                                David, i can't see any line around the lid, but its well worn, almost to the point of smooth!
                                Under the lid liner,there are definite ridges i can feel, running vertically across the lid! The wadding or whatever it is finishes about a quarter of an inch from the top of the lid!! Anything like yours?? -Nigel
                                Yes Nigel, sounds exactly like mine The line around the lid top can be quite difficult spot. If you look in this thread at the photos of mine, you will see that in some shots the line virtually disappears.

                                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=192358

                                All depends on the angle you view it from, so yours may have a line, albeit a worn one, that will take a bit of looking for at the right angle and in the right lighting.

                                I'd say, from what I've seen and had described though, that it's a good 57 RK case

                                Regards
                                David

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