Some New Shields

[old siagon]

Hello again,

Here are some new additions and some old shields to show my entire shield collection.
Enjoy,
Vince

[Matthieu]

Nice ones, Vince. I think you have got the entire collection there. I could be wrong here, but I thought there was also a Gold Narvik shield ?

[Nigel N]

nice shields Vince, great collection you've got there!!beerchug.gif -Nigel

[old siagon]

Nice ones, Vince. I think you have got the entire collection there. I could be wrong here, but I thought there was also a Gold Narvik shield ?

Hello Mattieu,

I just located a gold Narvik and it is on the way to me! The only other one I am missing is the CHOLM shield.

Happy Hunting,
Vince

[streptile]

Very nice, Vince.

Is there a quick way to judge period of manufacture on these?

Thanks for showing them.

[LuckyLuudje]

Very nice, Vince.

Is there a quick way to judge period of manufacture on these?

Thanks for showing them.

I think the Jury is still devided.
But I think the Narvik and Demjansk have a chance of being early.
I think the others are modern.

If I remember it correct, The Lappland is not an official 57 issued shield.

[streptile]

I think the Jury is still devided.

Thanks Luud. I found an interesting and not-very-old thread about dating shields started by Mike here. An interesting discussion that could stand to be continued there...

If I remember it correct, The Lappland is not an official 57 issued shield.

The wartime versions had no swastika, as I recall, so I suppose anything made after the war would just be a "postwar copy" rather than an actual "57er," yes?

[Seewolf]

[/QUOTE]The wartime versions had no swastika, as I recall, so I suppose anything made after the war would just be a "postwar copy" rather than an actual "57er," yes?[/QUOTE]

The Lappland shield is a 57er version - here´s a site from a 57er catalogue.
You cann see that the Lappland shield is listed there

[old siagon]

The wartime versions had no swastika, as I recall, so I suppose anything made after the war would just be a "postwar copy" rather than an actual "57er," yes?[/QUOTE]

The Lappland shield is a 57er version - here´s a site from a 57er catalogue.
You cann see that the Lappland shield is listed there[/QUOTE]

Hello,

In my opinion the answer to your question is no. At one time I did own an origonal war time/post war Lappland shield. The shields made after the war judged by condition, attaching pins, and material of construction will help a collector determine if the shield in question is a genuine war time/directly post war time shield or a 57er shield.

It is a fine line when you are dealing with a "nazi" shield that never had a swastika on it to begin with. If one has ever had the opportunity to have them side by side, there is no comparison.

Happy Hunting,
Vince

[speedytop]

Hi Seewolf,

"The Lappland shield is a 57er version - here´s a site from a 57er catalogue"

No and no

The Lappland shield had been excluded in the Ordensgesetz, there was and is no allowance to wear it.

It is not a 57er catalogue, it is a catalogue from Friedrich Sedlatzek, "Orden beider Weltkriege", orders of both world wars.

Please see here:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=307336&page=3

and here:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=278916

Uwe

[Seewolf]

Hi Seewolf,

"The Lappland shield is a 57er version - here´s a site from a 57er catalogue"

No and no

The Lappland shield had been excluded in the Ordensgesetz, there was and is no allowance to wear it.

It is not a 57er catalogue, it is a catalogue from Friedrich Sedlatzek, "Orden beider Weltkriege", orders of both world wars.

Please see here:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=307336&page=3

and here:

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=278916

Uwe

Okay, so i was on the wrong way...thanks Uwe

[streptile]

The wartime versions had no swastika, as I recall, so I suppose anything made after the war would just be a "postwar copy" rather than an actual "57er," yes?

Uwe, at least you should be happy with my terminology, right?

Thanks for the info, guys.

[Mike Yokum]

Oh, Trevor. You're opening a can of worms buddy. Best to leave it alone!

[speedytop]

Hi Trevor,

"...no swastika ... so I suppose anything made after the war would just be a "postwar copy" rather than an actual "57er," yes?"

"Uwe, at least you should be happy with my terminology, right?"

Yes, copy or fake

Uwe

[streptile]

Oh, Trevor. You're opening a can of worms buddy. Best to leave it alone!

I don't think so this time, Mike, as I've learned a lot from Uwe and have used terms he will agree with and appreciate.