Oakleaves and Swords

[juoneen]

I agree,they were sent back, and got the refund in full, would look good only on a post war tunic for a RK winner, but i wouldnt put them on anything else. I posted this before on the cross section with another questionable piece. Im hoping to run down the final answer for that one soon. (5 marked cross). They might be worth something someday, but unless sold at a repro price like 50.00usd, i wouldnt mess with them.Your Comment george L are right on, and we are on the same page.

[speedytop]

Hi,

here is a picture with my copies of St&L oakleaves and oakleaves with swords, together with a 1957 Knights Cross.

The obverse of all three oakleaves, one silver, two silvered, is identical.
The obverse of both swords, silver and silvered, is identical.
The reverse of both silvered oakleaves is identical, with the exception that on the oakleaves without the swords is no "O" (no adjustment for the swords necessarily)

The oakleaves silver and silvered are cut out differently, see middle on the right.



Marginal note: I think that the swords of the copy in Post 21 to 24 were produced with the same tools, see the small line on the left part of the crossguard. In my opinion it is the same design; grip, crossguard and blade seems to be identical.

Uwe

[George L]

Thanks for posting these, Uwe. The one OLS on the upper right looks the best. The rest have the finish that looks like later the stuff you see on the later badges. I also don't see evidence of burnishing on the center vein like on my set posted. Lastly, I don't see that flaw on the left sword blade, either, unless I'm missing something???

[speedytop]

Hi George,

I'm not always satisfied with my pictures.

The silver version is vanished on the center vein like yours, the silvered versions are not vanished:



Here I have added the picture of the crossguard from Post 22, I think, that the flaws are visible, see also in the picture above:



There is no later or former stuff! I have bought all these parts at the same time, may be only some years difference.

Remember, I'm only the bearer of the bad news, don't shoot the messanger.

Uwe

[Leroy]

First, I apologize for these photos, taken hurredly because I'm going back out the door in a couple of minutes.

Here is an "earlier" set, I believe, of the O&S. Note that the sword hilt has a VERY distinct line on the left upper hilt, even more distinct than in the sets shown here before, but there is NO similar line in the leaf structure on the left side of the body of the oakleaves at all. This MAY indicate die wear or changes, with the later "hilt flaw" being a bit softer, but a new line appearing on the body.

[Leroy]

Now here is the famous "vein flaw" on the S&L O&S (different set).

[Leroy]

Here it is again on a different set.

[Leroy]

Now, count the "dots" on the hilts. Seven, not eight. And the wider sword blades.

Is this the "real" wartime S&L O&S? Just a GUESS right now.

[Leroy]

Anyone have any thoughts?

[George L]

Leroy, interesting observations on the 7 vs 8 dots. Now that I look at my OLS, I do see the line that was absent in the pics...not sure what that means.

[John Waters]

So what would you expect to pay for a set the same as in post 1 to 3 ??
if in fat they are early 57 s&l o&s

[George L]

John, I'd think anywhere between $100 USD on the low end and $200 USD (tops) on the high end. Anyone else??

[DavidM]

John, I'd think anywhere between $100 USD on the low end and $200 USD (tops) on the high end. Anyone else??

Hello

I'd agree with Georges estimate.

Regards
David

[juoneen]

mark on clip same O+S

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