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[chen]

Guy,
My concern :
for the second Kanji is that horizontal stroke( circled by yellow) which is not shown in your Kanji. My suggestion has been stated and it may be the purple one Kanji which however has an additional horizontal stroke.
for the last Kanji, you can see my analysis in yellow. If written in continue format, it becomes the blue one. The green one is your version but that downward stroke is too short as compared to the writing.

Anyway,let hope someone can provide further comment.

[GHP]

Guy,
My concern :
for the second Kanji is that horizontal stroke( circled by yellow) which is not shown in your Kanji. My suggestion has been stated and it may be the purple one Kanji which however has an additional horizontal stroke.
for the last Kanji, you can see my analysis in yellow. If written in continue format, it becomes the blue one. The green one is your version but that downward stroke is too short as compared to the writing.

Anyway,let hope someone can provide further comment.

Hello Mr. Chen.

Hmmmmmm.

1. You suggest the second kanji is 咸 . I think it is a quickly written 成 -- not having an extra stroke, but just sloppy.

2. 揚 or 場. 開揚 does not make sense in Japanese whereas 開場 does. I think it is the 土 earth radical, not ⺘ hand; I do not think stroke #2 continues down far enough to make the ⺘ "hand" radical; just a bit of fast writing.

I'll send a PM to Nick and get his opinion.

Thanks for the input ... you make me think a LOT.

--Guy

[GHP]

Nick Says:

I was wrong! My apologies to Mr. Chen.

m(_ _)m
(bowing lowly)

It's read 皇威発揚　こういはつよう [Kō I Hatsu Yō]. Nowadays they use instead 国威発揚 meaning enhancing national prestige; expanding national influence

--Guy

[chen]

I was wrong! My apologies to Mr. Chen.

m(_ _)m
(bowing lowly)



--Guy

Guy,
No need to apologize.
When seeing the Kanji writing in fast and fashionable way, sometime the reader needs to:
1. recognize the form and shape of individual word ( correct number of strokes no longer be that important to determine that word)
2. read all four words all together trying to get an overall meaning.

BTW, the first Kanji usually means Imperial ( Japan or Army).

[chen]

BTW, I am quite certain my guessing for last( fourth) Kanji due to third Kanji. It is because third and fourth Kanji can now act together to form a meaningful thing.
When I did that translation in post #12 for the second Kanji, I was not that convinced even to myself. Later when I try to guess again(at post #16) for the second Kanji, the whole 4 Kanji can be tied together to a quite meaningful sentence.
But due to sloppy writing, it is hard to imagine what the second Kanji is so the best way is to guess with the help of first, third and fourth Kanji, all read together to guess.

Anyway, learn these 4 kanji during primary school with lots of hard brain memory. Quite a torture at that time!

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[bangbangsan]

hello mr. Chen, and thank you. I think there might be some difference in understanding this phrase, and perhaps we need a native japanese to confirm what you wrote. "imperial all spread out" can be one form of the kanji.

In the meantime, here is my understanding:

皇成発場
kōsei hatsujō
imperial visit place of arrival
there might be a cleaner way of saying this, perhaps "imperial visit" is enough?

• 皇 (hō, ō) emperor, as in 天皇; can also be an abbreviation for "imperial [army]" ... But that is normally written as 皇軍 kōgun
• 成 (nari, sei) visit; although this is the 5th definition, it is the only one where 成 is the main kanji:

お成り; 御成り; 御成 【o-nari】 (n) going out (of a nobleman, etc.); visiting [ghp: "o" means honorable]

alone, it means "to become", elapse, grow, turn in to. This is the kanji version of "~naru" なる, a common word meaning "become/becomes/became" (e.g., i became an officer is: 将校になりました; alternately as 将校に成りました).

• 発場= arrival location. This is a set pair and the dictionary definition:

発場 【hatsu jō】 (n) arrival; place of arrival

※grammar police report
regarding the important diacritical marks used above the "o" and "u" vowels (ō and ū) when converting kanji or kana into romaji (latin letters). The diacritical mark does *not* make it a long vowel as taught in us/uk grammar school. japanese diacritical marks extend the vowel sound. In this case 皇 is written with two hiragana as ほう. When transcribed into western letters, each kana is broken down as ho and o. Today ほう would be rendered either as hou or hō, but not "ho". Pre-1960s (and even sometimes today) you will see it as "hoo" -- but to native english speakers that would sound like "who".
With that said ... It is too cumbersome for most people to write 柔道道場 correctly as jūdō dōjō; we just write judo dojo.



Regards,
--guy

皇威發揚。發=発

[bangbangsan]

hello mr. Chen, and thank you. I think there might be some difference in understanding this phrase, and perhaps we need a native japanese to confirm what you wrote. "imperial all spread out" can be one form of the kanji.

In the meantime, here is my understanding:

皇成発場
kōsei hatsujō
imperial visit place of arrival
there might be a cleaner way of saying this, perhaps "imperial visit" is enough?

• 皇 (hō, ō) emperor, as in 天皇; can also be an abbreviation for "imperial [army]" ... But that is normally written as 皇軍 kōgun
• 成 (nari, sei) visit; although this is the 5th definition, it is the only one where 成 is the main kanji:

お成り; 御成り; 御成 【o-nari】 (n) going out (of a nobleman, etc.); visiting [ghp: "o" means honorable]

alone, it means "to become", elapse, grow, turn in to. This is the kanji version of "~naru" なる, a common word meaning "become/becomes/became" (e.g., i became an officer is: 将校になりました; alternately as 将校に成りました).

• 発場= arrival location. This is a set pair and the dictionary definition:

発場 【hatsu jō】 (n) arrival; place of arrival

※grammar police report
regarding the important diacritical marks used above the "o" and "u" vowels (ō and ū) when converting kanji or kana into romaji (latin letters). The diacritical mark does *not* make it a long vowel as taught in us/uk grammar school. japanese diacritical marks extend the vowel sound. In this case 皇 is written with two hiragana as ほう. When transcribed into western letters, each kana is broken down as ho and o. Today ほう would be rendered either as hou or hō, but not "ho". Pre-1960s (and even sometimes today) you will see it as "hoo" -- but to native english speakers that would sound like "who".
With that said ... It is too cumbersome for most people to write 柔道道場 correctly as jūdō dōjō; we just write judo dojo.



Regards,
--guy

皇威發揚。發=発，發揚光大=発揚光大，出發=出発