nco fair estand price

[nickn]

So the fakes have the brass throat insert??
Please educated and point out all the bad bits
Just saying fake doesn't really help me neither will
"All bad"!

[gunto]

Originals have brass , but its more precise made. The hole for the sword ,has wrong dimensions. Numbers are looking odd ,also missing little stamp near numbers.
Heres a original . Compare .....http://www.antique-swords.eu/C89-WW2...Army-NCOs.html

[gunto]

The space between the sword hanger and throat is to long. Another clear indicator of a fake.

[nickn]

Thanks
Ever seen a fake with a brass insert?
There is an acceptance stamp after the serial number but the blade has been cleaned and it's very faint I will try and take a photo

[Paul G]

Besides the first red flag of a bare aluminum handle, which I have seen with scrubbed originals, the biggest red flag I see is the numbers. They look off, spread too far apart, and no arsenal mark before or after it.

PG-

[nickn]

I am not trying to talk this into being an original happy to accept it isn't
but wouldn't a polished alloy original tsuka look the same?
So it's not a red flag??

[nickn]

My posts keep
Being duplicated is anyone else getting this problem ?

[BruceP]

Nick,
I wouldn't rush to judgement about this one! While Fuller & Gregory mentions that there are "mint examples" of the NCO gunto on the market (therefore if "mint", how are we to really know?), I see some interesting things: 1. The very eary serial number. I have a copper-handled NCO whose saya (scabbard) has no number. Fulller & Gregory lists a couple of swords with "unexplainable" missing stamps. So, I'm not concerned about the missing arsenal stamp on the blade. 2. The inspection stamp on the collar (fuchi) is Nagoya. Nagoaya blades are the only NCOs with numbers that are read with the cutting edge up. So that is correct. The contractor mark matches nicely with the "unknown" mark on Ohmura's Study: See http://ohmura-study.net/794.html. 3. The aluminum handle looks like the MAJORITY of all NCOs on the market today. The paint simply wore off during use. I have one myself. 4. The brass in the throat is wearing off, so that is odd, but being an early, and considering the wide variety of quality, becuase of hundreds of factories making thousands of swords - that's just human nature.

We all like pristine, regulation perfection, but reality is often not that way.

I'd enjoy the gunto. If it's fake, it's pretty darn good - good enough to enjoy.

Price: these tend to run from $600 to $2400 depending upon the rarity and condition. Yours would sell on eBay for $600-700.

[Rod G]

The type face of the numbers looks off to me as does the low number, but who can say. Perhaps measure the thickness of the tsuba (expect to see 9mm or 11mm I think, Stu or Stegal could say) and let us know. A photo of the scabbard drag might provide an additional clue, those can be a tell fakers screw up.

Overall it's hard to say from the pics Nick, I wouldn't jump to conclusions either way.

Rod

[nickn]

hello bruce
the brass isnt wearing off it just appears the braze has run
under a loop the insert is neat
nick

[BruceP]

I knew I had seen that factory stamp - Dawson has it, identical to yours- it's "Gifu"

[ROBB]

The photos are pretty poor ( no offense ) and these are copied to hell so top quality in focus photos are always useful to avoid disappointment . Rob

[nickn]

No offence taken I am useing a Kodak dc200 from 1995 with a binocular objective taped to the lens to take close ups
Those marks are identical to the ones on this sword and the copper colour is the same
Clever fakers copying a rare mark
I don't know when the old man bought the sword but I do know rust and how to make it .the rust and pitting on the scabbard is not chemically induced it has real age
So it's an old copy/fake

[GHP]

That Gifu Stamp Bothers Me ....

Nickn,

Are those arsenal stamps on the fuchi stamped in? From the photo you provided, they seem to have the tell-tale sign of being cast along with the fuchi -- especially the 岐 Gi[fu] stamp. I downloaded and inverted the image .... they do not appear stamped in to me.



What do you see with the sword (and a magnifying glass) in hand? Are there slight depressions where the "stamps" are?


--Guy

[nickn]

Hello guy
Stamped not cast