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    Anybody else collect ROC militaria?

    I just got these in, some hats and a backpack, M1945 copy.

    Here is a little picture timeline of the army service hats...


    Used from the mid 1930s to late 1940s. Reproduction..


    This variant was used from the mid 1950s to 1960s or 70s, I am not positive though. This one is dated 1957. The badge is made out of copper and I have generally classfied these badges made out of copper that were being made up to 1949, but it seems to not be the case. It has a brass nut in the shape of a disc. There is another early variant, probably post 1949 made until mid 1950s without a chinstrap. Notice this hat mimics the old ski caps, but does not actually fold down. Made out of HBT.


    This was used right after the last version up till early 1990s. I got this one when a seller listed this on eBay as a WWII Flying Tiger cap. I told him it is dated 1987 and asked how this was found in a veteran's trunk, seller never really gave a solid answer, but sold it to me for cheap. This is has a few reminants of the previous design. Insignia is made out of aluminum disc with plastic sun. Later versions have the embroidered sun, just like the next hat. There are variations, such as one with dark green color. Some have a different insignia attached. A few of the newer issued has the officer rank embroidered on the front. There is a Marine version, just with logo embroidered. Unissued. Made out of HBT.


    Current issue. I believe the earlier ones had the year of manufacture, but the recent ones do not. Most current issued uniform items do not have the year printed on them anymore. Undated, but I bought this in Taiwan in 2007.


    This is a winter cap. It is very similar to the ones used in WWII and 1946-49 Civil War period. The only difference is the color and material. Has the early type copper insignia, with plastic nut. No date, seller estimates 60's-70s and probably for armor crew use. Made out of HBT.

    So far these are the only hats I have seen sold in Taiwan and period pictures. There may be more types that I have not seen yet.

    Oh and the flag, I am not sure what period it is dated, I think WWII to 1960s, probably flown in the US not on the mainland or Taiwan. It has "China" and "3x5" stamped on the edge part and I think zinc holes where the string/rope is tied to the flag. The 3:5 ratio is usually outside of China/Taiwan as they have the flag at a 2:3 ratio. Made out of cotton with individual sun and rays sewed on.

    I will post more items later and more if anybody is interested...

    #2
    yes please post more. nice collection.

    I only have one medal and thats for taiwan... so not generally a republic of china collector par se.

    Hopefully you will find a few more people here who might collect the same as you.

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      #3


      1960s-70s Air Force visor hat badge. By this period, the sun insignia should be made out of some type of nickel? metal.



      Master Pilot Badge. Assuming the first two digits are Republic year (from the parachute badge below), then this badge is dated 1975.



      I think a 1948 pattern parachuter badge. This should be post 1950. Anodized metal.



      I think from the Bragg and Turner book, the first two digit in the serial number means the Republic year, so 1975. Heavy brass type metal.



      I believe this is for a service cap. Made out of anodized metal, sun insignia is also copper. The screw things look older than the later types, so probably 1950s, early 60s.


      Medal of Brilliant Light, I believe to be pre 1960s, but post 1949 by the non aluminum/steel (not sure what the post 1960s were made of, but there is big difference in pictures and quality) slot brooch and the silver content of the medal.

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        #4
        I love it how these medals are properly numbered.

        Just to think if we ever got hold of the china/taiwan medal books (or what ever they used), it would actually be possible to research a soldier.

        very exciting prospect indeed

        love the medal btw.

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          ROC militaria ???

          Originally posted by hc8mm View Post
          Anybody else collect ROC militaria? ...Oh and the flag, I am not sure what period it is dated,
          I think WWII to 1960s, probably flown in the US not on the mainland or Taiwan. It has "China"
          and "3x5" stamped on the edge part and I think zinc holes where the string/rope is tied to the
          flag. The 3:5 ratio is usually outside of China/Taiwan as they have the flag at a 2:3 ratio. Made
          out of cotton with individual sun and rays sewed on. ...
          Hello hc8mm:
          Nice ROC item collection, bravo! Here is my own likewise ROC item, a unit flag.
          .......................... OLDFLAGSWANTED ..........................

          ..................
          sigpic
          .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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            #6
            khorgor, I saw one book, I think recently published by a museum on Taiwan, go for about $150. I was surprised as you can probably go to that museum and get it for way cheaper than that. The seller had a couple more and is selling them $50 each Buy It Now.

            oldflagswanted, very nice flag. How old is it? I would think first off WWII, but research has to be done on the unit.

            I got mine on ebay when the seller listed the flag along with two other countires. I forgot to bid on it.. for $20, I could have bought the three flags. I asked the seller if he would sell me the Taiwan flag for $9 including shipping, he agreed. So it was a very good deal as you can get the modern flags for about the same price.

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              #7
              ..well anyways, here is another medal I didn't post earlier, it is a Victorious Garrison, 1st Class grade B medal.



              I got it without a ribbon, but I believe it dates as the same as the Brilliant Light. I will probably find one later whenever I get the chance to go to Taiwan. It is also damaged with cracked/missing enamel. Made out of silver (silver plated or some pure silver?).

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                #8
                nice medal

                and ohh - your going to taiwan. lucky you :-) be great to pick up some higher orders for a bit cheaper I would be thinking.

                and thanks for the info on the book. any idea on the its name? I'll have to look it up sometime and grab one

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                  #9
                  Here is the Chinese name, type "中華民國勳章圖說" on google with parenthesis. There were some, I guess, bookstores, and they list it at about $20 or so.

                  Actually, now I am not sure if it was printed by a museum or a government entity, but I have seen the drawings of the medals on the official government site. So that is probably I assumed where it came from...

                  I am not sure on the orders, but medals, badges, etc. are cheap, very cheap. I have seen the Basic Parachuter badge go for on ebay here for $10-$40, but you can get if for about $3-4, ..not including the air ticket

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                    #10
                    hc8mm,

                    Thanks for sharing your collection with us. I don't beleive that I have ever seen so many ROC items together before.

                    Regards,

                    Gordon

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                      #11
                      thanks for the info hc8mm. I'll definately have to look that one up.

                      yea ebay is cheap - but I have been warned by many that most chinese / taiwan awards on ebay are faked. So I haven't bought more than the one I have now.

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                        #12
                        more about RC unit flags ???

                        Originally posted by hc8mm View Post
                        ...oldflagswanted, very nice flag. How old is it? I would think first off WWII,
                        but research has to be done on the unit. I got mine on ebay ...
                        hc8mm:
                        My NC unit flag came off of eBay too, it was oddly listed as a WW2 Japanese flag.
                        It translates to battalion 2000, or something like that. Japan did capture a
                        number a China unit flags, some larger examples with long fringe (same top) are
                        shown below from a WW2 Japanese magazine - wonder what the units were.

                        sigpic
                        .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Gordon Craig View Post
                          hc8mm,

                          Thanks for sharing your collection with us. I don't beleive that I have ever seen so many ROC items together before.

                          Regards,

                          Gordon
                          I don't have something in particular to collect, just what ever I can find related to the ROC. I have always thought it was the army that I was suppose to serve in, but never did (I was born over there, but my parents and me immigrated to the US).

                          khorgor, well mostly the older medals and orders are faked. Right now, don't buy anything from China. There are a few Israeli sellers right now selling "rare" orders for $2k each, but are fakes along with the fake and fantasy medals they have for $10 each. I see fakes on the Taiwan auctions too. The only medals I have seen copied so far is the Medal of Valor and Loyalty (copper with the red communist type ribbon) and the Victorious Garrison 1st class grade A (fake or plated silver and this one was about the size of the person's hand and I don't think his hands is that small, so definately a fake!).

                          oldflagswanted, I can help you to get it identified, but the writing is hard to read. I was thinking of your flag as something recently sold on ebay, but I found the pictures the seller sent me and it wasn't it. Although his went for $300 IIRC, but it isn't a military unit flag, but some civilian org.

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                            #14
                            RC flag character ID ???

                            Originally posted by hc8mm View Post
                            ...oldflagswanted, I can help you to get it identified, but the writing
                            is hard to read. I was thinking of your flag as something recently sold
                            on ebay, but I found the pictures the seller sent me and it wasn't it.
                            Although his went for $300 IIRC, but it isn't a military unit flag, but
                            some civilian org.
                            hc8mm:
                            My RC unit flag came off of eBay well over ten years ago, as such
                            it was long ago packed away in storage, so I'll have to look for it
                            to take a better view of the sewn on pieced togeather characters.
                            ............. OLDFLAGSWANTED .............
                            sigpic
                            .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                              #15
                              Chinese Civil War period officers hat badge. One of the common designs found, very simple design.


                              1956 Officer dress tunic. Unissued.


                              1958 Officer field tunic. Unissued.

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