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    #31
    What are you're thoughts about this small company size unit flag or guidon?

    I bought this about 8 or 9 years ago at a small antique store in Peru, Illinois for 75 bucks. Pinned to it were an assortment of things to include a couple of thin strips of red cotton material, a WWII vintage combat infantryman badge, South Vietnamese airborne wings, Army rank insignia, a U.S. 48 star shoulder patch and (of all things) a State of Tennessee shoulder type patch! I still have all that stuff. I figure the pinned on pieces had some value while the flag/guidon was a bonus if it happened to be vintage wartime use.
    I had a couple of Chinese nationals at my work place look at the writing and they verified that it was Chinese writing but of an older more formal style of a type they said was no longer in general use. As they deciphered the writing, they seemed to struggle with the translation for some time before attempting to tell me what it said. They roughly translated:
    On the front left: "military order is like a mountain" or " military orders must be carried out". On the right front: " hundred battles-hundred victories".
    Backside left: "10,000 miles, pioneers...?" or "this group? is way out in front of the main group", backside right: "clear-listen-teaching-battle" or "soldiers should listen to how to fight in battle".
    Not sure what to make of the English inscription. I know what KIA and WIA means but not sure about the HOTEL-9 meaning.
    The flag itself is a cottony material with cotton ties and the letter "D" is a velvet/satiny type material. It's about 20 inches long. Does this look like something that could be legitimate wartime use captured by Americans or is it an elaborate fake? Thanks for your comments! Kim





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      #32
      "D" Pennant ???

      Originally posted by kfields View Post
      ...roughly translated: On the front left: "military order is like a
      mountain" or " military orders must be carried out". On the right front:
      " hundred battles-hundred victories". Backside left: "10,000 miles,
      pioneers...?" or "this group? is way out in front of the main group",
      backside right: "clear-listen-teaching-battle" or
      "soldiers should listen to how to fight in battle". Not sure what to
      make of the English inscription. I know what KIA and WIA means but
      not sure about the HOTEL-9 meaning. ...Kim
      Hello Kim:
      Looks to be IMO like a military school team pennant, with maybe
      a later added accounting of student losses after graduation. That
      is just a guess, but can't think of much else that might explain it.
      .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ...........
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        #33
        This one was for sale on ebay, labeled as an ARVN unit flag.
        Is it OK or a fake one? It's different from other flags I've seen so far.





        Last edited by Gom Jabbar; 04-25-2010, 06:29 PM.

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          #34
          OK or a fake ???

          Originally posted by Gom Jabbar View Post
          This one was for sale on ebay, labeled as an ARVN unit flag.
          Is it OK or a fake one? It's different from other flags I've seen so far.
          Hello GJ:
          Interesting flag, but as you said "different" looking, so hard to
          say if in country period made or not. Fringe doesn't appear to
          be typical Nam loop type, and diacritical marks appear oddly done
          so words would have to be evaluated for correct syntax on same.
          More critical characteristics to ask about available by direct email.
          .............. OLDFLAGSWANTED ..............
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            #35
            Originally posted by Gom Jabbar View Post
            This one was for sale on ebay, labeled as an ARVN unit flag.
            Is it OK or a fake one? It's different from other flags I've seen so far.





            FAKE FLAG AND NOT MADE IN VIETNAM. WRONG SPELLING "DUYÊN-HẢI" (COASTAL) TO "DUYÊN-HÁI" WHICH IS MEANINGLESS "VÙNG" (AREA), NOT "VUNG" (THE LID), "HẢI QUÂN" (NAVY), NOT "HAI QUÂN" (TWO SOLDIERS)

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              #36
              Originally posted by express06snail View Post
              FAKE FLAG AND NOT MADE IN VIETNAM. WRONG
              SPELLING "DUYÊN-HẢI" (COASTAL) TO "DUYÊN-HÁI"
              WHICH IS MEANINGLESS "VÙNG" (AREA), NOT
              "VUNG" (THE LID), "HẢI QUÂN" (NAVY), NOT "HAI QUÂN"
              (TWO SOLDIERS)
              express06snail:
              Nice lettering evaluation, pays to know the language!
              .......... OLDFLAGSWANTED ............
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              .......^^^ .................... some of my collection ...................... ^^^...

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                #37
                Originally posted by express06snail View Post
                FAKE FLAG AND NOT MADE IN VIETNAM. WRONG SPELLING "DUYÊN-HẢI" (COASTAL) TO "DUYÊN-HÁI" WHICH IS MEANINGLESS "VÙNG" (AREA), NOT "VUNG" (THE LID), "HẢI QUÂN" (NAVY), NOT "HAI QUÂN" (TWO SOLDIERS)
                Thank you for clearing it up.

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                  #38
                  Fake ARVN FLags

                  I have an ARVN flag collection, collected over the last 20 years. I was born in Vietnam in 1971, a product of the war. My father did six tours.
                  The website below is also selling fakes. The owner of the website at first insisted they were real, and finally changed his story to say "They are pre-1973 cheap copies of the ARVN flags made in arena for gullible GI's to take home with them. The fact is that they are pre-1973, and made in arena, which is what makes them authentic." He also said that to own the actual ARVN flags would be a bad thing. So...if any of you are ever thinking about buying something "authentic" off this site, think about it hard before spending your money. I have his email saved and can provide it.
                  http://vietnam-militaria.com/flag-st...sored-program/

                  (They are not 1973. They were done on a digitally edited sewing machine.....pretty difficult to have had one of those in theatre in 1973...)

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                    #39
                    about WAF flag postings ???

                    Originally posted by Sky View Post
                    I have an ARVN flag collection, collected over the last 20 years...
                    Hello Sky:
                    Glad to see you made it onto the WAF. Also would
                    love to see some of your flag collection here on the WAF.
                    Congratulations again on your first posting to the WAF.
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                      #40
                      Indeed, welcome to the forum.

                      Along with OFW i too would welcome the chance to see any portion of your collection you would be kind enough to post.

                      Flag topics pop up semi-regularly and any examples of originals to help members steer clear of the plethora of ebay offered...'examples' would be helpful to many.

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