Baden Pickelhaube

[Jleb2]

ok, so what is it then? Would love to know. One thing with Spiked helmets is there is always something to learn.

Would love to know the ID

Thanks

James

[martin guerre]

You will know... just let's time to fellows members who said strongly it is a completely wrong helmet.....interesting to see how to make a good one bad
One more time look at this one in an other collection ..same as the one on post 1..

[Jleb2]

Whatever, if you truly know what it is let us know so we can all learn.

Just because someone else has one too, does not make it right, and as I told you before, the one you keep showing has Kokarden on the wrong side.

Best

James

[martin guerre]

Cocarden in the wrong side is really not important it happens sometimes ! lol
It is not really a problem

[martin guerre]

Yes if one as one like mine does not make it good of course you have to know why and for what purpose this helmet is for James !

[Jleb2]

so tell us, if you really know?? Not sure what the big secret is....

Spent a lot of time on this already, going through every reference book etc. and yes after 30 years of collecting I got most of the books, yet even they do not have all in them. so tell us so we can all learn.

Yes Kokarden get moved very easy and often happens, but double Baden Kokarden would not happen.. anyway jut my opinion.

James

[Jleb2]

Martin-   after digging around some more, the only possible thing I can come up with is possible Police or Fireman's helmet from the Weimer period?

This would also explain the double Baden kokarden as Police and or Firemen often did this...

James

[ROBB]

Perhaps post WW1 the German dropped his helmet and damaged the spike ! And simply just got hold of a replacement fluted or smooth perhaps he didn't care , he just wanted to look good on parade . Rob

[ww1czechlegion]

by member Jleb2:
Martin- after digging around some more, the only possible thing I can come up with is possible Police or Fireman's helmet from the Weimer period?

This would also explain the double Baden kokarden as Police and or Firemen often did this...

James

It would also explain the crown being removed from the Griffin's head. Typical for post-monarchy time period use of the front plate on a helmet.

It would also explain the Griffin front plate not having the Motto for the Grand
Duchy on banner or ribbon area at the bottom of the front plate.

It would also probably explain why the front visor is rounded, and possibly why it has a fluted spike which would be incorrect for the helmet if it was being worn during WW1.

Best Regards,

Alan

[The Prussian]

Hello!
Because this thread is called "Imperial..." I thought it was a helmet during that time...
Ingo Löhken wrote in his book "Polizei-Uniformen der süddeutschen Staaten" (Police uniforms of the south-german states) about Baden Gendarmerie 1919-1932:
Helm with yellow fluted spike upon a cross- screwplate and a round visor and Baden cocades at both sides.
That could be an indicator of the missing device too.
The only thing, that disturbs are the white plates, but we all know, that in the post-war era nothing had been 100% correctly.
So I´d say to this helmet:
Baden Gendarmerie in the early Weimar era

Andy

[martin guerre]

Here we go !
Juste to this nice one !
This one can be worn before 1918 in Imperial era and after in the Weimar Republique !!

The Baden firefighters carry, according to the status of their city or the time, a crowned or uncrowned griffon with a motto specific to the firemen (whose translation is: "with God for the honor of protecting his neighbor").
It must be known that in Prussia up to 1896 certain officials were wearing a helmet with a point bearing a plate with an eagle with outstretched wings, more rounded than those of the military eagle. During the Weimar Republic, the administrative eagle (without currency) is worn without a crown. In the country of Baden, at the time of the Grand Duchy of Baden, the bodies of Kommunalpolizei (municipal police) carry the uncrowned griffon, and a banner without motto. This absence of monarchical title and crown enabled the Prussian and Baden police helmets to continue to be worn and even made after 1918, until their replacement by the shako on variable dates and the adoption of a new outfit Uniformed for all of Germany in 1936 (for the Olympic Games in Berlin). If firefighters often wear the double cockade (Germany and the provincial state), the policemen wear only the provincial cockade with the right chinstrap attachment hook. This cockade was replaced, from 1934 to 1936, by a cockade in the colors of the German Empire (the Reich). Here is a helmet of Baden Komunnalpolizei :
Martin

[ww1czechlegion]

So here we have it: a "Civil Service" helmet and not a Military Pickelhaube.

That explains the myriad of incorrect combinations of parts if the helmet had been used by the Military, which it apparently was not.

Mystery solved.

Best Regards,

Alan

[martin guerre]

Who said it was military pickelhaube ..??
Not incorrect helmet at all just you was in the wrong way Alan and others ..
Correct Baden komunalpolizei worn period WwI and after ..
Martin


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[ww1czechlegion]

Duhhhh, no one said it was military.

We very, very rarely get "Civil Service" headgear items posted on a military collector forum, such that nobody, including "myself" thought outside the box to consider that your helmet was not military, since you posted it on a Military Collector forum, known as Wehrmact-Awards.com.

We're all happy for you that you finally have your nice looking Civil Service Helmet identified. Did you know what it is when you purchased it?

Even thought the helmet looks very, very nice, it is Not for me, never in a dozen lifetimes. I'll never be a Civil Service Headgear collector. "Suum Cuique" or "To Each His Own". We all have our own likes and tastes. That's what makes the world go around.

[martin guerre]

Posted it as pickelhaubes forums ..was I wrong ??


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