Officer's Picklehaube value?

[K Bandow]

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...22#post1406522
I sold this spiked helmet to a fellow member of the forum on the e-stand, and he said he does not find it to be worth what he paid. He paid $1,060. There are a few little flaws as mentioned in the discription, but it is a very nice display. Is it worth that? I had quite a few people in line for it, but since he was first, I let him have it. Thus, I would think the price was fair?
Later,
Karl

[Perry Floyd]

As a amatuer in this area let me say I thought of buying it just to get the cover. To me its the jewel of the set and I value it as much if not more than the helmet..
But thats me..

[K Bandow]

From what I have seen, the helmet is about $800-$900, the cover is about $250-$300, and the case is about $75, and these are not dealer prices. That would put the lot at about $1,125-$1,275. I think he got a fair deal. Am I right?

[Perry Floyd]

I feel the final price for all 3 is very fair but like I mentioned I value the cover more than that pacticular helmet
The futher back a pedigree on a worn cover the more I'd pay, but as mentioned that's me.

[K Bandow]

The buyer wanted $300 to be able to fix the front visor, which when I sent it was perfectly fine. It had some old repair work done, but it was solid.
I told him that I am just a student and that I could get him the $300 after a little while. He said that would not work. What is he trying to pull?
The money from it went toward my trip to Germany this summer.
What should I do?
Karl

[PaulChep]

You honestly represented the helmet and posted plenty of pics and a good description. You sold in good faith. The buyer saw everything you posted, agreed to pay and now they want money back! That is wrong!!! I would not give the buyer one dime back.

[Jody]

Pickelhaube

Hi Karl,
In my opinion, you were more than fair and frankly I think it is a good deal. Try to find a real cover today, and the helmet is nice. I see no problem with the price. The buyer obviously knew what he was getting before he bought it.

What would this sell for on on the the big Imperial German dealer web-sites? The price would be crazy.

Regards,
Jody

[K Bandow]

Thanks for the replies all!
He wants a full refund. Since I cannot pay him back this instant, he wants me to borrow $1,060 from my mom and dad. Would any parent do that? We are a middle class hard working family, and do not have that kind of money to throw around.
His complaints were that the cross is missing on the orb and the left wing is missing on the eagle atop the ceptor. You can clearly see that in the images. Also, he said the front visor is coming loose at the right side. That is quite common because these helmets have sat for so long, but it is not impossible to fix nor an expensive task as he makes it seem.
I am glad to hear that each one of you would have bought this lot without any bickering.
Later,
Karl

[MilitaryCollect]

Bad deal

Hi,

The seller represent the condition of the helmet as "solid". It isn't. The front visor is detached and had previously been glued on. Same is true for the trim. This damage was not disclosed nor visible under the front chinstrap.

The item was received on May 16 and the seller was advised of my dissatisfaction. Per e-stand rules, I requested a full refund. He claimed to have spent all the money. He then claimed to be a high school student and sought "compassion". I told him I'd settle for $300 to have the repairs done, but he claims not to have that either.

Therefore, the item has been returned and E-stand rules require a full refund.

Christopher

[Shenkursk]

Karl:

As a seller, you have to be prepared for the deal to go 'tango uniform', especially during the declared inspection period. There are many illegitimate reasons for return that some buyers will try out in the rest of the e-commerce world: (it didn't fit, everything made in 1942 should be 'khaki', my wife is mad at me, I took it to the show to make a quick profit and it did not sell, the battlefield relic was rusty, etc., etc.) A return for reason of condition being not as described (within reason) is quite different. The key to avoiding an unexpected return for condition problems is to write a very thorough description in which you try to anticipate any problems that a buyer might see in the item and disclose them in words and photos that are as specific and detailed as possible.

On e-stand, however, the rules state that a seller should allow a return for any reason within 7 days after the item is delivered.

I know that it is difficult to do sometimes - money from a big sale often goes immediately to pay bills, finance other purchases, or somehow just magically turns into a six month supply of penny whistles and moon pies.

Debating the return on the forum is not in your best interest for many reasons. The best possible thing to do would be to work with Christopher as best as you possibly can. There are other interested buyers waiting in the wings! it seems like some sort of deal can be worked out on amicable terms that avoids a big public kerfuffle that might cause you to run afoul of the e-stand terms and (unfairly or not) tarnish your reputation as a seller here.

Christopher:

From my (admittedly limited) prior dealings with Karl outside the forum, I did distinctly get the idea that he was young and relatively new to this. It sounds like you have already extended something of an olive branch with the proposal to have the helmet repaired. Hopefully when you are both on the same page... perhaps the estand rules would be a good one... you can work out some sort of agreement that might be a bit more patient than would be necessary with a more mature collector, but yet still makes sure that your return is properly resolved.

Good luck to both of you - I sincerely hope that this matter will be closed quickly with no ill will.

[K Bandow]

I would do anything I can to get the $300 to send him. I do not have it at hand, but I can scrounge it up and send it to him. The visor was not damaged when it was here, I can swera upon that. $1,060 will take about 8 months for me to save back up, as I, nor my parents, have that at the moment. I will sell some stuff, and send you $300, okay Chris?
I am actually scared at the moment. I have hardly enough money as it is to pay for gas.
Please.
Karl

[K Bandow]

I have a plan, Chris. If I can sell my Napoleonic wars jaeger rifle, I should be able to pay you back the $1,060. I would like to sell it on the estand for $1,000, but how do I go about shipping something like that?
Karl

[Luftm40]

I've sold hundreds of things, and have always found that it is a good idea to hold the buyer's money until he confirms that he is happy w/the item. Might I suggest this?: Christopher could put the set up for sale on the estand for the purchase amount and with all of the flaws explained. If it sells, problem solved. It sounds like there was a lot of interest in this one and the price was very fair, so I'll bet this plan would work,,,

[NavyFCO]

I've sold hundreds of things, and have always found that it is a good idea to hold the buyer's money until he confirms that he is happy w/the item. Might I suggest this?: Christopher could put the set up for sale on the estand for the purchase amount and with all of the flaws explained. If it sells, problem solved. It sounds like there was a lot of interest in this one and the price was very fair, so I'll bet this plan would work,,,

I'm with Andy on this one... If there were more people interested in the helmet than just Christopher, put it back up for sale on e-stand, list all the imperfections, and then go from there. Someone else will buy it, Christopher will get his money, and everyone will go about their merry way. Sounds like a very reasonable compromise to me.

Dave

[ROBB]

I think if the front visor has been detached then was glued on and the trim, it should have been mentioned . Therefore a refund is in order ,but as you have spent the money ,well thats something else.Rob