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    Preußen, Eisernes Kreuz 1870 II. Klasse am weißen Bande des Bernhard v. Beck

    Here's my latest acquisition. The piece is from the estate of Bernhard von Beck (1821-1894), Royal Prussian General Physician and Corps Physician of the Royal Prussian XIV. Army Corps in Karlsruhe.

    I've included the German dealer's description below should anyone be wiling to provide a translated summary in English for this thread. Thanks.

    Best, Alex

    Königreich Preußen, Eisernes Kreuz 1870 II. Klasse am weißen Bande mit schwarzer Einfassung, verliehen 1870 bis 1873.

    Mutmaßliches Verleihungsstück in probemäßiger Fertigung mit gegossenem Eisenkern des sog. A-Typs aus der Berliner Eisengießerei in Silberzarge, ohne ersichtliche Punzierungen.

    Gute, etwas getragene Erhaltung, der Kern eventuell später nachlackiert. Die Zarge mit feiner, etwas unregelmäßiger Patina. An 25 mm schmalem, etwa 14 cm langem Bandstück, dieses etwas schadhaft.

    Das Stück stammt aus dem Nachlass des Bernhard von Beck (1821–1894), zuletzt Königlich Preußischer Generalarzt und Korpsarzt des Königlich Preußischen XIV. Armeekorps in Karlsruhe, der als erster seines Armeekorps das Eiserne Kreuz erhalten haben soll, was sich jedoch nur auf die Verleihungen am weißen Band beziehen dürfte. Für 1870/71 war er einer von nur dreizehn(!) Trägern des Eisernen Kreuzes I. Klasse mit der II. Klasse am weißen Bande, bei zusammengenommen 4097 in der Königlich Preußischen Ordensliste 1877, III. Teil, dokumentierten Trägern des Nichtkämpfer-EKs beider Klassen.

    Dazu zwei moderne Abzüge von Portraitphotos Bernhard von Becks in Uniform, auf denen er jeweils dieses Kreuz an erster Stelle seiner großen Ordensschnalle trägt.

    Literatur: Wernitz, Frank. Das Eiserne Kreuz 1813 – 1870 – 1914. Geschichte und Bedeutung einer Auszeichnung. Wien 2013. Vgl. Band 1, S. 314–317.












    #2
    Was there any proof that this cross was his?

    The write-up states he was the 13th bearer of the EKI with the EKII with the white band. It also states the photos are modern copies, and they show the cross being worn on his medal bar. Which doesn't seem likely.
    Willi

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      #3
      Originally posted by Willi Z. View Post
      Was there any proof that this cross was his?

      The write-up states he was the 13th bearer of the EKI with the EKII with the white band. It also states the photos are modern copies, and they show the cross being worn on his medal bar. Which doesn't seem likely.
      +1

      also important to note: "der Kern eventuell später nachlackiert", the core has possibly been repainted at a later date - which by the look of it seems more than just a possibility. IMO that hurts the value of the cross, I hope the price of the cross reflected this.

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        #4
        That does not look like a ribbon that was once folded onto a medal bar.

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          #5
          Great cross Alex.
          Best regards,
          Streptile

          Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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            #6
            Originally posted by gregM View Post
            That does not look like a ribbon that was once folded onto a medal bar.
            According to the dealer (a former WAF member) the ribbon came with the EK II as part of the v. Beck estate. I've asked the dealer to join us on this thread to help address some of the concerns that have been raised.

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              #7
              Originally posted by streptile View Post
              Great cross Alex.
              Thanks Trevor.

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                #8
                The dealer has reiterated that the 1870 EKII and ribbon were both from the v. Beck estate, which included several other medals and awards (including documents to v. Beck's son).

                Here is an example of another medal from the v. Beck estate.

                http://woeschler-orden.de/node/3858

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                  #9
                  If Sascha says it's good, I have no reason to doubt him.

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