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    #31
    Originally posted by bolewts58 View Post
    agree. Does it have the Beco cursive mark on the reverse?
    Here a IMO an unmarked Halbmond from Beco, with IMO the same finish as the ones I show before!
    What do you think about this one?

    http://gmic.co.uk/topic/57871-gallip...comment-537787
    Last edited by Green; 04-01-2018, 02:22 AM.

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      #32
      I suggest you ask Demir about the TWM you started the thread with. I'm sure he will agree with all of us.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Green View Post
        Here a IMO an unmarked Halbmond from Beco, with IMO the same finish as the ones I show before!
        What do you think about this one?

        http://gmic.co.uk/topic/57871-gallip...comment-537787
        Please copy paste pic here. There are quite a few stars in that thread. IMO most pics show too little detail to be sure of whether or not any have the questionable marks we are discussing here. Although there are clearly a few that are absolutely fantastic original pieces in that thread.

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          #34
          Originally posted by bolewts58 View Post
          I suggest you ask Demir about the TWM you started the thread with. I'm sure he will agree with all of us.

          Oké, correct me if I am wrong.. now its only about the TWM I started the thread with?
          I thought "all of you", did not like the two other ones too!


          In any case.....I rest my case! I have him in my hands and I am not completely convinced its a fake and " all of you " have not been able to convince me either!

          Thank you all in any case for your contribution

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            #35
            Not my field of collection, but I have a number of ek's that were deemed "fake" as soon as I showed them.

            ALL of those became very popular and sought after after a while, because they were non-textbook variants.....

            I rest my case.

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              #36
              Here's a link to a TWM same as yours (ie from the same die) but with worse acrylic enameling. They obviously got better at applying the acrylic when they did yours. Tan Berk, someone who is an expert on TWMs says it's a fake. I would suggest you PM him and ask him about yours and the other two you posted, as well.

              http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...kish+War+Medal
              Last edited by Brian L.; 04-02-2018, 10:05 AM.

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                #37
                Originally posted by bolewts58 View Post
                Here's a link to a TWM same as yours (ie from the same die) but with worse acrylic enameling. They obviously got better at applying the acrylic when they did yours. Tan Berk, someone who is an expert on TWMs says it's a fake. I would suggest you PM him and ask him about yours.

                http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...kish+War+Medal

                I said before "I rest my case", but here is my final reaction and if you want to know why.....because I am not an expert. I have done some research and buy some books, compare the TWM on Forums and ask for opinions here. You constantly go back to the experts, but I have not seen any comment from them at all (maybe after this). I have to respond to the reactions I receive here....

                In Review # 13 you point out with a picture of my piece, that it is 100% clear that the enamel is cold acrylic. I responded with two examples witch has IMO the same finish. Those two examples, the Schickle and the Beco became also suspected...

                I do not want to PM anybody, because I like to discuss the item here in the open. I have nothing to hide, just respond on the reactions I get here on this forum.

                Maybe I am wrong........but I am only human, after all

                Again, thanks anyway for your time and effort!
                Last edited by Green; 04-02-2018, 11:00 AM.

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                  #38
                  On my Schickel and BB&Co examples, do not see this sane effect on the edges of the enamels. Maybe the Schickel example you are using has been re-enameled?

                  From my experience the type that started this thread is a reproduction. You can give them eBay regularly.

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                    #39
                    Here is an other Schickle with the same effect on the enamel. I have a Russian book, full with a lot pictures from TWM´s, there are a lot with the same effect on the enamel, one piece TWM´s and also with rivets! The black finish is IMO a sort of reaction of the material under the enamel, true moisture, temperature or other influences! I think that is for every piece different , because of the way they have been kept/ saved. So saying that the Schickle I showed maybe is re-enameled, good also be turned around...maybe the Schickle example you are showing has been re-enameled?

                    eiserner-halbmond-sog-gallipoli-stern-in-gutem-zustand_2.jpg

                    Schickle (3).jpg
                    Last edited by Green; 04-03-2018, 01:23 PM.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Green View Post
                      So saying that the Schickle I showed maybe is re-enameled, good also be turned around...maybe the Schickle example you are showing has been re-enameled?
                      I'm not saying your piece is but that mine doesn't show shrinkage.
                      Air bubble can occur in real enamel too.
                      http://www.pameast.net/library/readi...r-one:-bubbles

                      But ok. No worries only trying you help you. Enjoy your TWM.
                      Last edited by Rich G; 04-03-2018, 01:56 PM.
                      Interested in hand-stitched EM/NCO LW insignia and cuff-titles
                      Decorations of Germany

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                        #41
                        Originally posted by Rich G View Post
                        I'm not saying your piece is but that mine doesn't show shrinkage.
                        Air bubble can occur in real enamel too.
                        http://www.pameast.net/library/readi...r-one:-bubbles

                        But ok. No worries only trying you help you. Enjoy your TWM.
                        Don´t get me wrong, I much appreciate your reaction and your contribution (interesting link)

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                          #42
                          Sorry to see this thread this late, I really appreciated Bolewts58's comments and ideas, all seems very accurate. On the other hand I did not like ANY of the shown stars; the first one, Beco Schickle all raised flags for me. I guess no one can convince anyone about anything but whats great is people share their experiences, ideas so willingly. Thats why I keep coming back to WAF.
                          In the meantime you may want to compere your star to the ones I have in my collection.

                          I just made up this rule for the TWM; If it is not in Demir Erman's book, stay away from it
                          Regards,
                          Tan

                          If you have the time take a look at these threads I posted over the years;

                          Main TWM Thread
                          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=642475

                          Study of TWMs - BB&Co.
                          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=749096

                          Study of TWMs - *
                          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=751522

                          Study of TWMs - Unmarked Foreign Made
                          http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=767487

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                            #43
                            The Beco piece is original IMO.

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                              #44
                              Just wanted to go back to the first TWM that started this thread and how it was compared to a Sedlatzek make in the Russian book. Maybe the catch and pin might look similar but Sedlatzek uses oval shaped Tugra not round ones and their date plate seem to be much narrower in most of the examples.
                              I have a screwback Sedlatzek that I was able to compare to and which I believe to be a genuine item.

                              Another example I wanted to share is a heavily damaged TWM. Here you can see the strawberry pattern through the cracked enamel. I also believe that this medal has an honest damage and it is a period piece.
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                              Last edited by Tan Berk; 02-17-2019, 06:18 AM.

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