1914 EKII Prinzen

[Roglebk]

Could someone please post pics here for reference before they disappear from ebay. Discuss it too, only saw this version a couple times before. On it's way to Sweden but will not be able to see it for another year or so as "indisposed in Philippines" at the moment.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/German-Iron...72.m2749.l2649

[rbminis]

Here you go.
Ralph.

[gregM]

Carl,
Here are the ebay photos--

[Roglebk]

Thanks guys! Core seems to be stippled. Not many of that version around, please post if u got a match.

[gregM]

The core does not match either my Deumer or my Meybauer.
I cropped and enlarged the picture to try and get better details----

[streptile]

In my opinion it could be a KMST Prinzen.

[gregM]

Looks like a match to me.

[Roglebk]

Greg> Yes, this is another maker, no match to the known ones.

Trev> Thanks for pics, def a match. Any info on the KMST connection? Need to dig up a HDD with the Prinzen files on.

[Roglebk]

One that seeks, finds, Lee's got a non mag core.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...93&postcount=3

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...95&postcount=4

From this thread
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=561153

[streptile]

Any info on the KMST connection?

Truth is, I did some thinking and research about it years ago, concluded that it could be KMST, then forgot why.

It's actually a good reminder to write it down in a thread! when I have some theory that I think merits discussion.

Probably has to do with the design of the core, maybe especially the oakleaves?

[Miro O]

I admit, there are some similarities in design, but on the other hand, it is the poorest of all known 1914 Prinzens in the means of quality.
Can´t quite believe that the producer of those high-end full size EK1 ladders and mouse traps would go out with this - if memory serves me well - zincer onepiecer.

[Roglebk]

Truth is, I did some thinking and research about it years ago, concluded that it could be KMST, then forgot why.

It's actually a good reminder to write it down in a thread! when I have some theory that I think merits discussion.

Probably has to do with the design of the core, maybe especially the oakleaves?

Thanks, one u posted also got a non mag core? They share similarities with 20-30's Deumers and AWS Prinzens. Copper alloy frames, post assy paint touch up, not "regular looking crowns" & non mag cores. Wonder if they also come in Silver versions. Can't remember seeing KMST or DRGM catalogues with Prinzens in.

[Roglebk]

I admit, there are some similarities in design, but on the other hand, it is the poorest of all known 1914 Prinzens in the means of quality.
Can´t quite believe that the producer of those high-end full size EK1 ladders and mouse traps would go out with this - if memory serves me well - zincer onepiecer.

Also first remembered it as a 'one piece' but think that was due to connecting "sloppy paint on frames" with a one piece. Something they share with non mag Deumer and AWS Prinzen.

Some are made in 3 pieces at least but no idea yet if my find is 1 or 3 piece.

Lee's got plated copper alloy frames, maybe one Trev posted too?

[streptile]

I think these are all three-piecers but I could be wrong because I've never held one.

[joelhall]

One that seeks, finds, Lee's got a non mag core.

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...93&postcount=3

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...95&postcount=4

From this thread
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=561153

Correction. Lee had them.