rating 2 crosses 1870

[boch_62]

Please evaluate 2 crosses EK2-1870, can you determine from what period the crosses come? Thank you in advance for your help.

Regards
Jarek


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[boch_62]

Please evaluate 2 crosses EK2-1870, can you determine from what period the crosses come? Thank you in advance for your help.

Regards
Jarek


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[ben bijker]

I'm NOT an expert on 1870 ek's , but I don't like these.

I think they were made recently in Latvia, but I hop I am wrong...

[Dansson]

Both are 9th bead Fakes.

[boch_62]

Unfortunately I expected it and I was expecting confirmation
Thanks !

Are these fakes always 3-parts and have an iron core?

I found such an old discussion about this fakes:
http://184.172.36.50/forums/showthre...d+Fakes&page=2

It follows that "Bad Crown fake" = "9th bead fake", and initially, this type of 1870's cross was identified as a FAKE only on the basis of "Niemann's week fake" ... interesting

Jarek

[Miro O]

These are Bad crown fakes both, not Ninth Bead fakes.

[boch_62]

These are Bad crown fakes both, not Ninth Bead fakes.

I thought so

Jarek

[gregM]

Miro is absolutely correct.

[Dansson]

These are Bad crown fakes both, not Ninth Bead fakes.

Looks like I remembered the name of the fake incorrectly, my bad

[Miro O]

Looks like I remembered the name of the fake incorrectly, my bad

At the end of the day, both are fakes, this is most important to know and say.

[streptile]

These are Bad crown fakes both, not Ninth Bead fakes.

I agree.

[boch_62]

These two crosses 1870 from the below thread are my crosses.

Here is a brief history of their origin.
One of these crosses I bought in January 2015 in the shop “House of History” by Kai Winkler’s, the second cross I bought in December 2014 in the shop of Ralf Gantzel “Militaria-Agent”. This second cross was described as: “Prussia Iron Cross 1870 made from the turn of the century”
I admit that at the moment when I bought these crosses, I had no idea about the imperial crosses, I was interested only by crosses EK2-1939 ...
I bought these crosses as an opportunity (I believed the dealers descriptions are enough), I put them in the drawer, and I forgot about them ...
In the last year I became more interested in the imperial crosses and I remembered my crosses 1870.
I began to compare them with the "standard" crosses of 1870 and suddenly I realized that with my crosses not everything was fine... and I made sure that are fakes, in our forum.
I also contacted my lawyer and asked him if the purchase time of these crosses (a few years back) is relevant and if can I advertise it ?
He said that the decorations are like works of art. Their originality is defined indefinitely (for life), not for one year or for 2 years. Therefore, at any time the badge sold as original, if found to be a fake, we can and should be to advertised them.
The basis of the complaint is proof of the purchase of these badges. Fortunately, I have bills of buy these crosses 1870.
I have written complaints to both sellers.
With Mr. Winkler we did a short discussion and the complaint was acknowledged. This fact, in my opinion, testifies to the high level of this seller.

On the other hand, from the Military-Agent, despite sending 2-mails, zero response and any reaction (positive or negative). Silence!
This is also something to prove ... My lawyer is proposing to take over this matter ... I will see ...
What are the implications of this story - everyone makes mistakes, and buyers and sellers, it is important to learn from these mistakes and be able to go out with them (with personal class !)

Regards
Jarek