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    #1

    EK 1870 for ID

    Gentlemen,

    please help me 1

    Could you possibly ID (MM) these 4 EKs ?

    Thank you very much !!

    Wolf
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    Ek 1870 id

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      Ek id

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        Ek id

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          #5
          My guess is three Wagners and one Godet

          Wolf can you show reverse as well?

          BR Thomas

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            #6
            You have some nice, original crosses there.

            There is no way to know for sure who made the 1870 Ek2s.
            The "short 7" cores attributed to Godet but have also been
            used by others (L. Lauer)

            The award style cores were all cast at 2 foundries and Godet
            and Wagner were known to share frames. So saying which is
            Godet and which is Wagner is really impossible.

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              #7
              Originally posted by gregM View Post
              You have some nice, original crosses there.

              There is no way to know for sure who made the 1870 Ek2s.
              The "short 7" cores attributed to Godet but have also been
              used by others (L. Lauer)

              The award style cores were all cast at 2 foundries and Godet
              and Wagner were known to share frames. So saying which is
              Godet and which is Wagner is really impossible.
              hmmm interesting
              my period info 1872 speaks of only one foundry during war time
              that was the royal Berlin foundry

              the A type core is surely the royal Berlin version of witch the stepped core is the earliest

              I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE NAME OF SECOND foundry ,,and the source the evidence is coming from would be nice to .

              regards kay

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                #8
                I said "award STYLE" crosses. That includes those crosses made after
                the Berlin foundry closed in 1873

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by gregM View Post
                  I said "award STYLE" crosses. That includes those crosses made after
                  the Berlin foundry closed in 1873
                  confusing ? ,,,award style ,,,,,?

                  who is the other foundry ?
                  that is what I would like to be shared by you


                  K

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                    #10
                    I will try and find it again. It was something on the web that named
                    another foundry producing 1870 typeA style cores after the Royal Berlin
                    Foundry closed. I did not think to save a link to the thread.

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                      Originally posted by gregM View Post
                      I will try and find it again. It was something on the web that named
                      another foundry producing 1870 typeA style cores after the Royal Berlin
                      Foundry closed. I did not think to save a link to the thread.
                      I remember such a thing to ,,but so far I remember it was speculations,,,

                      on thing is 100% sure ,,,1872 there was no one else then the Berlin foundry .
                      and crosses being handed out on official occasions wile the jewelers in Berlin had no Iron cores to make Iron crosses . ( most likely also no frames )


                      regards kay

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