1813 Iron Cross

[Coburg]

This one arrived this morning. I hope you like it

Jim

[gregM]

I do like it very much
Welcome to the club.

You have added some remarkable pieces to your collection lately.
Congratulations.


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[Coburg]

Thanks Greg

Jim

[streptile]

Amazing

That one has a long and distinguished history on this forum. It used to belong to Marshall (Biro) and has been seen in a couple Holy Grail threads.

In my opinion it's one of the nicest "non-serif" core type I've seen and probably among the very earliest three piece types (stepped side core).

[Coburg]

Many thanks Trevor.

Jim

[Montgomery Burns]

yes a nice one,,,,congratulations


nice picture to..

do you have a closeup of the lower arm frame outer corners ?






thanks and

regards kay

[Coburg]

Kay,

These are the best i can do

Jim

[streptile]

In my opinion Jim's cross has the earliest (and more common) three-piece award-type 1813 frame, but with well-worn beading.

Here is the lower corner (3 o'clock) of the frame I mean.


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[gregM]

In my opinion Jim's cross has the earliest (and more common) three-piece award-type 1813 frame, but with well-worn beading.

That is interesting. Mine has the same core and frame as Jims. I also have a letter
from D. Niemann describing it as an "early" piece yet for the longest time we have
been told that the skinny framed crosses were the "awarded" crosses and that these
crosses with the wider frames were from the second (1835?) issuing.

[Montgomery Burns]

That is interesting. Mine has the same core and frame as Jims. I also have letter
from D. Niemann describing it as an "early" piece yet for the longest time we have
been told that the skinny framed crosses were the "awarded" crosses and that these
crosses with the wider frames were from the second issuing.

Greg ,,such stories are all idiotic assumptions just to fill in research gabs born in amateur way of looking at history .

those Germans could not read they're own historic period books ,,or combine it with found crosses and technical understanding of the craftsmanship.
therefore never cover or link the right historic events to examples found in collector hand
let alone make a decent time framing of what they held in hand

this frame is the early lesser damaged example of a 1813 frame used up tho the 1870's.

wide frames are used and issued right from the start of 1813.
wideness of the frame was not a theme or concern to the producers nor initiators of the Iron cross 1813

especially schinkel knew that.. and Schneider ,,but hey ,,,so far nobody cares .

besides the experimental frame's ,,, 5/6 distinctive frame changes early from 1813 appeared to let the final design to be what it became ..up to 1957.
those changes covered wide and narrow frames .

this frame is in the final last frame changes .





regards kay

[August von Mackensen]

This one arrived this morning. I hope you like it

Jim

That is an amazing piece Jim, always a pleasure to see such a beautie, btw, would you be so kind and putt it on a scale? Just beeing curious about.

Thanks

Matt

[Biro]

This one arrived this morning. I hope you like it

Jim

Congrats Jim.

I have very fond memories of that one.

Marshall

[Coburg]

Congrats Jim.

I have very fond memories of that one.

Marshall

Marshall

Many thanks

Jim