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**VtwinVince** · 03-10-2005, 07:49 PM

Out of curiosity, what awards did Gerhard Fieseler win?

**Wild Card** · 03-10-2005, 11:12 PM

Edmund Nathaniel

With regard to Edmund Nathaniel, his HHO award is covered in vol. 7 of Neal O’Connor’s Aviation Awards of Imperial Germany. This book also contains two pictures of Nathaniel - one alone and one with other member’s of Jasta 5.

**ccj** · 03-10-2005, 11:22 PM

Originally posted by VtwinVince

Out of curiosity, what awards did Gerhard Fieseler win?

Fieseler won the GMMC which is the NCO's PlM.

Someone correct me if I am wrong... this comes from memory.

**Gerd Becker** · 03-11-2005, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by W McSwiggan

HI,

My appreciation of the Red Eagle Order is somewhat different. Specifically, there was a Non-Christian version of this order and was not intended to specifically single out those who were Jewish. My understanding is that the design for the award used insignia that was not a cross and this was done in order to spare non-Christian recipients offense. Remember that Imperial Germany had relations with countries where the principal religion was other than Christian. In the later stages of the Empire, Turkey stands out as a noteworthy example.

I agree that many German Jews and perhaps others returned these awards for standard insignia for many reasons to include potential for abuse. I do not agree and my reading of statutary translations makes no suggestion that this was intended as an inferior award.

wem

Thanks for clarification. You are right, it wasn´t a special jewish version, but a non-christian award, that differed to the normal cross-version.

I agree, it wasn´t meant as an inferior award, but some of the receipients probably had this point of view and gave it back to get the cross version. This is more or less rumor and i cannot prove it, but it makes sense to me.

best,
Gerd

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