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    #1

    Kuk signature identification

    Can anybody identify the owner of this signature?

    This is a very rare awards document given to an Ottoman junior officer in kuk army dated 1917.

    Thanks

    Tan
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      Leopold Gf. Berchtold

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        Thank you Elmar, much appreciated!!!

        Tan

        Originally posted by Elmar Lang View Post
        Leopold Gf. Berchtold

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          His full name is;

          Graf Leopold Anton Johann Sigismund Josef Korsinus Ferdinand Berchtold von und zu Ungarschitz, Frättling, und Püllütz

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            http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopold_Berchtold

            http://www.google.de/imgres?sa=X&biw...d=0CKEBEK0DMBY

            Gerdan

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              Gerdan thank you so much for the links!

              Tan

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                Very nice grouping.
                pseudo-expert

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                  It is the first time I see an award document for the Militärverdienstkreuz III Klasse m. KD awarded to a Turkish officer: I congratulate for the very interesting piece!

                  I apologize for the very short reply, but I'm through the usual, annual, highly annoying flu and its disrturbing side-effects...

                  E.L.

                  P.S.: some of the very high orders and decorations belonged to count Berchtold, were in the first collection of Dr. A. Spada, plundered (and almost entirely lost) in the early '80s.

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                    Thank you Don,

                    This is quite a rare document if not unique. I have seen some similar documents from the Kuk army but I have never seen any other given to an Ottoman officer.

                    I also have his Gallipoli Medal with its document as well. The grouping also includes other Ottoman medal documents and interestingly two badges from 1936 berlin olympics.
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                      This is dated 1936 as well but I have no idea what it was for
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                        Thank you for your insightful messages Elmar, I hope you will get well soon, that flu struck me in the house for two weeks and still I fear it will come back!!!


                        Warmest,
                        Tan

                        Originally posted by Elmar Lang View Post
                        It is the first time I see an award document for the Militärverdienstkreuz III Klasse m. KD awarded to a Turkish officer: I congratulate for the very interesting piece!

                        I apologize for the very short reply, but I'm through the usual, annual, highly annoying flu and its disrturbing side-effects...

                        E.L.

                        P.S.: some of the very high orders and decorations belonged to count Berchtold, were in the first collection of Dr. A. Spada, plundered (and almost entirely lost) in the early '80s.

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                          Originally posted by director View Post
                          His full name is;

                          Graf Leopold Anton Johann Sigismund Josef Korsinus Ferdinand Berchtold von und zu Ungarschitz, Frättling, und Püllütz
                          Boy that is one long name.... when I was in school in the 8th grade we had a kid with the name of Karl Leo Lawrence Jarsdorffer III, and I thought that was a real long name to have, this one surpasses Karl's for sure... LOL... Harold

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                            Dearest forum members

                            I am trying to make further research into this grouping and I would appreciate some help on finding out more about these two Prussian medals.

                            As I understand they have different types, for example Typ 1873-1918 as Sascha puts it here:

                            http://woeschler-orden.de/preu-en-kr...ille-1873-1918

                            The one I have is probaby the same type as it was given in 1917 but is there any visual clue on them as a design difference or manufacturing or assembly details that one can make out the type?

                            Is there a way to estimate the value of this grouping at all? I wont be selling it but I would like to know where it would be.

                            Some people were complaining that there were no more valuable discussions in this forum, I hope we can elaborate one on these medals and this grouping which people agree that it is rare because no one has seen another surviving document from a senior Ottoman Officer at Kuk Army.

                            Can't wait to hear some thoughts on the medals.

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