Grand cross

[MHOLST]

Hi Guys
I got this today any opinions
its 62mm by 62 mm and its made out of 3 pieces
looks like silver

[MHOLST]

another photo

[Douglas 5]

Interesting cross ... can not say anything about it . Post it in the imperial section .

Douglas

[morel5000]

Hi,

it doesn't have 4 acorns. Looks well made..

Best regards,
Michel

[Montgomery Burns]

just by what I have seen so far i would say..... would not be surprised if this would be period .










congratulations



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[Bob Hritz]

I believe this is a period piece made by Godet.

Bob Hritz

[morel5000]

Could you make a close-up of how the ring is soldered onto the frame?

[AlikN]

I believe this is a period piece made by Godet.

Bob Hritz

Yes , it is a period Godet's cross, here is the picture from 1915 catalog.

Very nice find ...

[AlikN]

Could you make a close-up of how the ring is soldered onto the frame?

Ring is a separate piece, soldered with hard silver solder to the front frame and back frame soldered to it with tin based alloy.

[morel5000]

Ring is a separate piece, soldered with hard silver solder to the front frame and back frame soldered to it with tin based alloy.

Thanks I saw that, still would like to see the close-up.

[Montgomery Burns]

Ring is a separate piece, soldered with hard silver solder to the front frame and back frame soldered to it with tin based alloy.

collectors often think so ,, but it is wrong .
tin based alloy's where never used fore the Iron crosses ,,,1813/1870 /1914:1918

they soldered with soft solder with a even softer and lower melting point as tin alloy ...
that solder melting point could even go down to 90/60 degree ,,,

the 2 soft alloy's used where copper /zinc and silver / zinc ...

the Silver zinc alloy is actually not real solder but almost a combo of gluing and solder only with metals .

(sometimes braking out of the two frame half's , as time passes .
And mistakenly seen by collectors of the modern time as filler of some kind
between two badly fitting frames .)

the silver/zinc alloy was the solution found fore the soldering problems in the early day's of 1813...
coming most likely out of the so called Gürtler craftsmanship who was already connected strongly to the jeweler trade back in the old day's .

the silver/ zinc alloy recognizable by the Grey collar and softness of the solder ....

the small ring is always soldered with hard solder to the cross ( called Arbeits silber ,,alloy made by 800 silver, copper and zinc )
and sometimes even the top arm edge you will find the hard solder .

all the way around the arms it will be soft solder ( correct ) but no tin.
a silver zinc alloy easy to detect as a Grey line between the frames ...

the woman's crosses 1870 are soldered with hard silver all the way around.
as the email core is not so sensitive to heat wile soldering.
you can see that,,,,as the soldering of those crosses is almost invisible to the aye ...

not meaning that a normal EK can not be soldered all the way around with hard solder .
found those type of soldering to ,,,, a special soldering method was used for that.

but that is to deep in to it ..

PS ,,this is no INTERNET, google, wikipedia or forum search knowledge ...

its old fashion, researched documents , counter researched,,,,, and proven .







kay

[SCOTT G]

collectors often think so ,, but it is wrong .
tin based alloy's where never used fore the Iron crosses ,,,1813/1870 /1914:1918

they soldered with soft solder with a even softer and lower melting point as tin alloy ...
that solder melting point could even go down to 90/60 degree ,,,

the 2 soft alloy's used where copper /zinc and silver / zinc ...

the Silver zinc alloy is actually not real solder but almost a combo of gluing and solder only with metals .

(sometimes braking out of the two frame half's , as time passes .
And mistakenly seen by collectors of the modern time as filler of some kind
between two badly fitting frames .)

the silver/zinc alloy was the solution found fore the soldering problems in the early day's of 1813...
coming most likely out of the so called Gürtler craftsmanship who was already connected strongly to the jeweler trade back in the old day's .

the silver/ zinc alloy recognizable by the Grey collar and softness of the solder ....

the small ring is always soldered with hard solder to the cross ( called Arbeits silber ,,alloy made by 800 silver, copper and zinc )
and sometimes even the top arm edge you will find the hard solder .

all the way around the arms it will be soft solder ( correct ) but no tin.
a silver zinc alloy easy to detect as a Grey line between the frames ...

the woman's crosses 1870 are soldered with hard silver all the way around.
as the email core is not so sensitive to heat wile soldering.
you can see that,,,,as the soldering of those crosses is almost invisible to the aye ...

not meaning that a normal EK can not be soldered all the way around with hard solder .
found those type of soldering to ,,,, a special soldering method was used for that.

but its to deep in to it ..

so far





kay

Kay, would really like to thank you for this informative post regarding the soldering for the EK, this is the sort of information that seems to get missed in a lot of our forum discussions .

Again thank you,
Scott

[MHOLST]

2 photos of the ring front and back

[MHOLST]

Another photo of the ring

[MHOLST]

One more close up taken with flash