Your Opinion About This Case !

[MH184]

You can also see that is has an rectangular loop (or tear/pear) shape perhaps, the image is inverted so it's a little difficult but yes I to noted the arms.

This is a hard one.

[MH184]

Of course it could be the impression of the obverse of the award, as these things are some times back to front in the box.

I'm just trying to think of foreign awards awarded to Germans or German made awards that were foreign ?

M

[tom hansen]

That is the dimension (50mm) of an Ostvolk first class medal. However, if you look at the silk impression, there are two central concentric circles with the impression of a figure in the center (not a swaz). On the outside of the concentric circles there appears to be an impression of crossing swords which do not enter the concentric circles. That, as well as the loop impression, does not directly correspond exactly to the medals listed in Robin Lumsden's book. Does anyone have Detlev's new catalog yet to do some detective work on this impression (mine has not arrived yet)? I will look when this arrives. The presence of the "paper clip" loop would imply a higher level of award. Is anyone familiar with the plethora of imperial medals with this configuration? Thanks

[MH184]

Lets put her the correct way

[Mark S.]

I love a a history mystery..

Hi Ivan!

very interesting box!

In my opinion, I dont think it is post 1935 German though. Best guess would be some type of Imperial award.

The imprint on the lid shows it to be some type of cross, in a commander or officer grade, if it is military. The center of the imprint has a M clearly shown, with a seperate design above it, my guess would be a crown of some sort.

M for Military? Maybe a military merit order type award?

Something else to consider is that many other European countries produced detailed awards during this era, maybe the M stands for a rulers name? Or maybe it isnt an initial after all, but the imprint left from one of those eagles that Prussians, Romanians, and tsarist Russians (and loads others) seemed to favor in the late 19th and early 20th century.

Ivan, I would ask you to also post some pictures of this in the Imperial forum. I can copy the thread there, if you wish. let me know.

[IVAN]

Hi Ivan!

very interesting box!

In my opinion, I dont think it is post 1935 German though. Best guess would be some type of Imperial award.

The imprint on the lid shows it to be some type of cross, in a commander or officer grade, if it is military. The center of the imprint has a M clearly shown, with a seperate design above it, my guess would be a crown of some sort.

M for Military? Maybe a military merit order type award?

Something else to consider is that many other European countries produced detailed awards during this era, maybe the M stands for a rulers name? Or maybe it isnt an initial after all, but the imprint left from one of those eagles that Prussians, Romanians, and tsarist Russians (and loads others) seemed to favor in the late 19th and early 20th century.

Ivan, I would ask you to also post some pictures of this in the Imperial forum. I can copy the thread there, if you wish. let me know.

Hi dear Mark !

so long time we don't speak toghether

As we can see in the follow photo, it looks like 2 batons with something in the center......and , as you say, above something.....

Yes , please, do the thread in the Imperial forum.

Thank you, my friend

[IVAN]

Here is another pic .

What have said Tom is right, can someone look in the new Detlev's book ?
thanks

[Mark S.]

I moved this from the General Awards forum, we need to tap into the minds of our proper Imperial collectors to solve this mystery...

thoughts on the medal that was in this case?
I adjusted the contrast a bit..Does this motif ring a bell with anyone?

[tom hansen]

I saw this medal. I would think without the swords it would be a match. It is a Freidrich's order imperial knights cross. Any other thoughts?


http://www.derrittmeister.com/051058.htm

[Mark S.]

the center inlay ring is too narrow on the medal, and the center motif doesnt match.

Great effort though, I think we are on the right track.

Doesnt the Bavarian Military Merit crosses have a M in the center?


Here is the cross from Der Rittmeister that Tom linked to: