It's obviously not a MVK or as the seller says "Pour le Merite für Mannschaften"
It does not match the "true MEZ" either, is it a known fake?
It does not match the "true MEZ" either, is it a known fake?
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It does not have the characteristics of an award piece. Could be a Spangenstueck with spurious markings.Comment
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I think it could also be an outright fake?Originally posted by VtwinVince View PostBest regards,
Streptile
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I agree. The patina looks faked as well.Originally posted by streptile View Postpseudo-expertComment
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Hi Gents,
Why do you believe it is a fake? I see not why?
Tell me more what you thinks, please.
Thanks and regards, Mike
PS: Please write simply.
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Mike, not convinced it's a fake yet but it is at least not a 'textbook' Wagner. It is extremly well made and very alike but not a match.
Bottom one is a MVK but it shared tools with the MEZ.Comment
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Hi Mike,
I don't know this award very well, but I think they are all struck from the same die as the GMVK, and I see some differences.
Of course your question has made me doubt my eyes, but here are some of the problem areas I can see:
- Flaw in "T"
- Shape of crown
- Shape of ribbon ends
- Overall shape (thickness) of lettering
- Pebbling is quite different
The flaw in the "T" of "VERDIENST" may not be a problem, of course, if the silver is earlier.
If you think this piece is good, I am very happy to learn something new
Best regards,
Streptile
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It is also way too thin imo. Here is a good thread from the wayback machine: http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...highlight=GMVK
Definately rules out a Wagner since, as I've always been told, the GMVK and MEZ 1 were made using the same die. Could it be a spurious mark on a "good" spangstueck? How would we ever tell? Methinks the Hero is expanding his market.pseudo-expertComment
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Perhaps we can scour the catalogs to see if we can match the crown with that distinctive row of dots.pseudo-expertComment
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Fake MEZ 1 Klasse?
Hello,
From my point of view the Military Honor Medal 1st Class (MEZ) is defiantly not an official awarded cross.
This type of MEZ was usually awarded during the colonial wars (1895 – 1906). Below you can see two photos of an official awarded genuine MEZ from the colonial wars.
The MEZ is only marked with the marker mark “W” and without any silver hallmark. I hope that one could see clearly the differences between the MEZ in the photos above.
Maybe it could be a so-called “Spangenstück” but I am not sure. To this one should examine the piece in the original.
A comparison with a Golden Military Merit Cross (GMVK) is in this case not really helpful in my opinion since both (MEZ and GMVK) are slightly different in the stamping.
Andy
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I think so!Originally posted by Andy K. View Post
And, I know a dealer, he take a MEZ1 from Wagner and smashes a 938 in the cross. This is really and not a storie. Than I know a MVK not from Wagner but from WILM.
This cross is also different. ;o)
Regards MikeComment
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Hi Andy and Mike,Originally posted by Andy K. View Post
Thank you for the explanations. I thought the two awards were struck from the same die, so I learned something new today
Andy, you show a very beautiful MEZ.Best regards,
Streptile
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And here is a MVK from C F Rothe-Wien.Originally posted by RAO View Post
So there's 2 different versions of the 'MEZ type 4' made by Wagner? One earlier and one a bit later with the same dies as the MVK?
Good article about the MEZ
http://www.medalnet.net/Military_Honor_Medal.htmComment
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All good info but it still doesn't tell us one way or another about the one that started this thread.....pseudo-expertComment
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