sunday morning engraving surprise ..

[Montgomery Burns]

the e stand holds a nice item that surprised me unexpected ,,
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=512478

on look at the stamp and I knew its a Koch & Berfelt stamp
closely related to M.Hansen ...
both rare stamps to see
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=279627
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=444234

second I recognised the engraving ....
as every hand writing is a fingerprint off a person ..only harder to detect as it is very variable ...

I think I found the match ,in a member coin off Deutscher offiziers verein
http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=290525

and the name H Plümer may be a designer / or engraver off the cup ..
anyway I think its save to say that DOV had a connection with K&B ,,,,,,if I am not mistaken with the engraving ,,,

as the Z is a full mach to the one off the cup ..

so ,,maybe a nice Sunday discussion here


regards kay

[Montgomery Burns]

I think the Z..R..E are a full match

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[Montgomery Burns]

kj

[Ammersee]

Very nice hand engraving. I think you are correct...they appear to be a match. Did you purchase the cup? Gary

[Montgomery Burns]

Very nice hand engraving. I think you are correct...they appear to be a match. Did you purchase the cup? Gary

yip I did go after it ,,but had to pass ..

still interesting to find a new DOV trace and a name to a engraver and where he worked


regards kay









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[Tiger 1]

Stylistically the z is similar but not a match. The individual starts and stops of each cut comprising the z as well as the the depth and tilt of the graveur are different. The structure of the of the whole letter if overlaid on each other would not be identical.

As I see it.

Tony

[Montgomery Burns]

I do not agree ,,,,far from it

its not like a stamp ,,,,,its a cutting stile ,,,especially the Z R E


the similarity's are so close ,,,,,cut in to silver its a miracle the artist managed to accomplished such a perfection in his writing,, and so to his cutting style .....

but you will see as you do the same as I did ....
you change you mind ,,

study all sütalin writing you can find ,,,as well as all engraving in sütalin you can find ...


and you will see that all cutters and writers had there own personal unmistakable stile within a type off writhing ,sütalin

this is a 100% match fore a persona handwriting and cutting ..

and remember ,,,cize off the letters ,sort off silver ,,,rounded surface or not,,condition off the artefact ..are all off influence in how it looks ,,,,

but the man's personal autograph stays the same .

hope you find what I mean

regards kay

[cobra-2001]

engraving

Nicely done .

[speedytop]

Hi,

both are nicely done.

But it is not the same engraver.

And it is not Sütterlin, it is not Kurrent, it is a special engraving script, now known as "Handscript SF":

http://www.fontyukle.net/en/Handscript+SF.ttf

Uwe

[Montgomery Burns]

indeed ,,

its not Sütterlin and not kurrentschrift ,,combining both off them


http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%BCtterlinschrift


SF what dos that mean ?











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[J C Gray]

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SF what dos that mean ?.

It means 'Super Family' ie. a group to which certain variations of a font belong, such as bold, condensed regular etc. & has very little relevance to any hand executed lettering, such as the beautifully engraved lettering shown above. As already noted, this is not a font, but a style (from 'stylus'...the original writing impliment)...fonts are for the printing & IT industries, whereas styles are for craftsmen/artisans and are their own interpretations of lettering with particular characteristics, drawn from personal experience and preferences (within certain parameters obviously).

[Montgomery Burns]

It means 'Super Family' ie. a group to which certain variations of a font belong, such as bold, condensed regular etc. & has very little relevance to any hand executed lettering, such as the beautifully engraved lettering shown above. As already noted, this is not a font, but a style (from 'stylus'...the original writing impliment)...fonts are for the printing & IT industries, whereas styles are for craftsmen/artisans and are their own interpretations of lettering with particular characteristics, drawn from personal experience and preferences (within certain parameters obviously).

exactly what I wanted to hear

well ,,I was beginning to wonder ,,how fonts for the printing & IT industries came in this thread ...

but well ,,,ok ?

I was looking at the following document....
that I was told was sütterlin ,guess that was wrong .



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[J C Gray]

That document is mostly in a form of Classic Kurrent with some Copperplate.
Sütterlin was designed as a compromise between Kurrent & the older Fraktur (fractured) Gothic styles and was intended to be easier for school children to learn and write, due to its more cursive and less formal nature.