Godet

[Les]

They then changed to a second J Godet & Sohn button, dropping the 'housejeweller' designation and ALSO changing the design of the mini PLM they were using.

Whether that was because Gebr got their old mini PLM dies as part of the settlement or not, is totally up for debate (but not in this thread please!!).

Whatever happened, by what appears to be the mid-late 20's, they were now using a different button AND a different product on their mini PLM's.

This particular comparison is interesting. The comparisons do show a change in button types, but also show two different mini PlMs, but of the two different appearing minis used what looks like identical buttons on both of these products. This issue will likely get revisited at some future time, in another thread.

I'm not debating what this means, but making an observation which bears remembering which is that at least one of the firms used more than one style, and apparently concurrently.

[Biro]

... This particular comparison is interesting. The comparisons do show a change in button types, but also show two different mini PlMs, but of the two different appearing minis used what looks like identical buttons on both of these products...

Hi les

Despite how it appears in the blurry photos of post #159, under close scrutiny (and you know I've done that before posting) they are actually the same mini with the exception of the added suspension device.

I'll email some photos to you if you like so we don't end up detracting from this thread.

Marshall

[AFF96]

Trevor, a bit late, here's the button PLM I've already posted & if I remember the PLM was not liked, but good button & ribbon. Would love to add an authentic Godet mini medal to the button.
Greg
PLM Button 012.jpg

PLM Button 003.jpg

[Montgomery Burns]

what about the stamps off godet ????


wood that be some reference ?








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[Eagle]

My Gorgo-Badge, looks on Post #141 was made by Godet in June 1932.

[streptile]

My Gorgo-Badge, looks on Post #141 was made by Godet in June 1932.

Thank you, Red.

For everyone: I am still working on this Godet timeline/history project, so I hope you will all forgive me for bumping this thread up with a request for any more marks, buttonbacks, or general information anyone may have out there that has not yet been shown here. I am making some progress and tentative first conclusions.

Thanks .

[Biro]

Have been asked by a friend to post his example of a Godet-Berlin maker mark on a TWM and the particularly interesting 'flying A' stamp also encountered on the pin.

Andreas (Medalnet) has a small selection of silver hallmarks on his website. He has a small image of the flying A ("flugel-a") as he calls it.

He notes the markings was introduced in 1902.

Marshall

[Don D.]

We've seen this mark on EK1s before. Who does he attribute it too? It looks like a distributer mark to me given it is stamped over Godet's mark.

[Biro]

We've seen this mark on EK1s before. Who does he attribute it too? It looks like a distributer mark to me given it is stamped over Godet's mark.

To be honest I don't know Don, but - as you might expect with all things militaria - I'm told there are a couple of....theories.....

Andreas suggests "For pieces made of silver imported into Austria after 1902"... http://www.medalnet.net/Hallmarks.htm

Another source says the "A" is short for "Ausland" which more or less means "foreign" in German, and the number underneath relates to the silver content ( 1 through 4) which in this case is a 1, and therefore the highest quality silver content. I guess this ties in roughly with what Andreas has said.

Yet another source says the A is for the city in which hallmarks are added, and A is the usual letter for Vienna, which is also where all imported silver items are subjected to Austrian taxes and stamped there.

Maybe someone can clarify this - my information is second hand from the owner of the TWM and he does not have the definitive answer either.

Marshall

[Don D.]

http://www.925-1000.com/Faustria_02.html

[Tim Tezer]

Definitely Vienna, 1902-1921. Here's another link showing the same mark.

http://www.silvercollection.it/austr...hallmarks.html

[streptile]

This letter is interesting and was sent to me by a friend in Germany for use in this thread. It is from the Kleitmann Archiv, whence he personally copied it, and is dated 1955.

It confirms, among other little tidbits, that:

Gebrüder Godet was founded by jewelers Jean and Eugene Godet, together with banker Oscar Mathesius, on 25 October 1930 (I had speculated 1931 in the first post of this thread).

Also of interest is that a company called "Godet u. Co." was established on 9 April 1946.

On a separate note, my same friend has explained some very compelling evidence to me that Gebrüder Godet did not inherit the dies and tools from J. Godet, but rather had to manufacture new ones, for at least one major decoration (the HoH in all classes).

My thanks to member Komtur for the information and the letter.

[Tim Tezer]

This is extremely interesting. The question that immediately comes to mind for me is this: if Klietmann purchased one of those three firms, which one was it? Also, one wonders whether Godet und Co. (1946) was a completely new firm, or was it based on the assets of one - or even both - of the predecessors?

Tim

[Les]

This is extremely interesting. The question that immediately comes to mind for me is this: if Klietmann purchased one of those three firms, which one was it? Also, one wonders whether Godet und Co. (1946) was a completely new firm, or was it based on the assets of one - or even both - of the predecessors?

Tim

Tim,

The letter is addressed to Kleitman's "Internationale Gesellschaft für wissenschaftliche Ordenskunde" without mentioning him by name. "Kopp" a "Justizoberinspektor" wrote the letter.

For those who don't understand German, the "Godet firm mentioned third on the list, is a "Handelsgesellschaft" or in English/American useage, a trading company.

German law currently defines the term as "Consolidation of two or more persons for the operation of commercial transactions , if the company is registered in the register such as ( company registration ), in various forms of enterprise:
(1) partnerships (other than dormant company , the company's internal only);
(2) corporations .

Commercial companies are strictly separated from the societies of civil law (GbR) , which are treated according to the Civil Code, partnership (Political Parties) . For commercial companies apply to the clerk existing commercial law (HGB § 6). cooperatives have so far treated as commercial companies.

Godet and Kaiser appear to have formed a corporate partnership, outside of that the letter does not specify what the firm did, it's location, what it "traded", etc.

Bear in mind, the date of the letter is 13 December, 1955. At that time, the Allied and post-war German bans on medals was still in effect, and would remain on the legal books until 1957.

Kleitmann and wife, are said to have bought the remains of the Godet firm after the war, although I suspect the letter had a different purpose. Kleitmann may have enquired about the legal claims on the "Godet" name, so he could determine who had legal rights to the Godet name, or variations of the name.

For this thread, the real value of the letter is what Trevor has pointed out. We now have a date for when Eugen Godet started his buisness mentioned in "#2."

[Montgomery Burns]

turned in to a trading company ......









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