ek2 1813

[Don D.]

The wear looks contrived to me and what are all those little black dots on the frame. The silver of the frame reminds me of the silver finish the Hero uses on his fakes.

[jozefhess]

SORRY Marc!!!

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[jozefhess]

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[streptile]

So it's about 44.5mm X 44.5mm and 17.1g. Not a Prinzen.

[Montgomery Burns]

It's interesting -- if you look at the poll results, there are some respected and knowledgeable members lined up on either side of the question.



I'm not sure what you mean?

my frame has the same marks as the one shown ,,it is only almost invisable

maybe the next pictures show it more

[streptile]

my frame has the same marks as the one shown ,,it is only almost invisable

Interesting, Kay. I do see the cut lines on your frame, too.

[Montgomery Burns]

and offcours ,,the expertise

[Montgomery Burns]

Interesting, Kay. I do see the cut lines on your frame, too.

trevor,,

dos this makes our hobby such an nice thing to be involved in ? or not ?









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[jozefhess]

Hey Guys,

My newest mission on this cross, since so many people were talking about the black dots and the finish, I took a nice close look at the finish.
The previous owner, seems to have tried to preserve the finish, and put some sort of laquer on it, I have been working for a while to meticulously remove it, and will post pics as soon as I can.

[Montgomery Burns]

don't touch that cross with anything ,,,,,let people talk ,,,but don't touch it

lisson ....

in the old day's jeweller used silver aloy's
they used a lot off metals and silver to make it easier to work with
and make silver harder fore every day's usage and so on



many times silver lost his shiny gloss in that process ....
(also creating other problems )
the collar you see is normal ,,even 1870 ek are found with that kind off matt silver look ...

its the alloy that makes that silver on you're cross look like that ....

also jewellers off old used some kind lacquer to make sure the silver dos not oxidise ....
it was common in producing silver plated forks knives and spoons in the old day's ....

so don't do eny thing until a specialist gave you an expertise

this cross needs an expertise from detlef Niemann or someone else off that calibre...

opinions on this forum are not the way ( the absolute wrong way in this case )
certainly not to remove laquer that may be original period done ....

please don't,,,
try to get an professional expertise first

regards kay

[Montgomery Burns]

((((((not a smart attempt off faking a cross ))))))

who can say this cross is not original ?

what proof is there ??????????????????

the only thing that is showing on the picture ,,,it looks completely strange and off regular .

is that wy this cross is a fake ?????,,,or even made by Barry Turk ?????????

that is no proof,,,,,,,, its just an opinion based on the regular stuff that go's around ...

the real rare and interesting stuff are these kind off unregulated ek's ,,,,,

I posted a almost similar ek with DN expertise here ....
That is the only solid proof presented here .
even the strange characteristics are the same on mine
that is solid proof ....and in favour off the cross presented

if this strange ek off Josefhess was presented to Detlef Niemann there is a good chance the effort wood be paying off .

BUT HEY ,,,tomorrow the ek has no Moore blackening on the iron core ....
so ,,,,,

[Montgomery Burns]

proving an off regular ek is original or not .

just by pictures .

in a poll . ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ????????


oh boy

[saschaw]

This EK is odd. But I cannot say I don't like it. It looks cleaned and laquered. That's the problem, I think.

[gregM]

I posted a almost similar ek with DN expertise here ....
That is the only solid proof presented here .
even the strange characteristics are the same on mine
that is solid proof ....and in favour off the cross presented

Maybe--they used one just like yours to create a fake

[Don D.]

Kay. a little hysterical dont you think? everything said here and on your via is just an opinion.