1870 EK2 with 25-Year Oak Leaves

[streptile]

I believe this is a Type A, Greg. As with the 1813 cores, there were a few different molds that produced slightly different Type A cores. The most noticeable differences were in the shape and thickness of the oakleaf stem and the obverse 'W'. This one matches one of the types, in my opinion.

[Roglebk]

painted ?

My thoughts too Kay, thats why i asked for better pics.


Tom> Yup, close ups of the cross, numbers and crowns would help a lot.

[gregM]

I believe this is a Type A, Greg. As with the 1813 cores, there were a few different molds that produced slightly different Type A cores. The most noticeable differences were in the shape and thickness of the oakleaf stem and the obverse 'W'. This one matches one of the types, in my opinion.

Interesting---This is the first I have ever heard of there being more
than one Type A. Do we have any confirmation on multiple styles?

[streptile]

Interesting---This is the first I have ever heard of there being more
than one Type A. Do we have any confirmation on multiple styles?

I jumped the gun on posting this a little, because I want to assemble a longer thread in which I can really explain and illustrate some things I've noticed about Type A 1870 cores. So, for the moment, I would just say that I do believe there are differences between Type A's that may be the result of the hand-finishing process, and may be the result of different molds. My instinct is to believe that there were multiple molds that made slightly different cores. After all, is it reasonable to believe that there was just one Type A core mold? We see this with 1813 cores, also. There is a serif-date version, and a sans-serif version, which clearly came from different molds.

I'm not sure the differences between Type As are substantial enough to say there are multiple different "types" of Type As cores, so I probably shouldn't have used the word.

[Montgomery Burns]

you're not the only one in this ,Trevor.

I to think there are Moore then one mould involved ,

not to speak off replacements due time

regards kay

[gregM]

I think that a true "type A" as defined in the BDOS artical should all be
identical. After the Berlin foundery was shut down, Godet and Wagner and
others had to come up with other cores. THAT is where we start sssing the
variations. We know Godet came u with the "short 7" style core but what about Wagner? Quite possibly, their replacement core was not a 100%
match to the Berlin foundry core. Plus there were other makers--let's not foget the "LL" marked examples.

[saschaw]

I think that a true "type A" as defined in the BDOS artical should all be identical.

That conclusion I don't come to, reading the article. Let's wait what Trevor works on...

[tgn]

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So, do these close-up photos tell you guys anything more about this particular cross???

Tom

[gregM]

Tom,
I think we have agreed to disagree. In my opinion the new photos
showing the paint loss points even more towards a Jubilee cross and
not a pre-1873 Type A. Like I said--Just my opinon.

Either way, It's still a great cross and one I'd be proud to own.

[streptile]

Tom,
I think we have agreed to disagree. In my opinion the new photos
showing the paint loss points even more towards a Jubilee cross and
not a pre-1873 Type A. Like I said--Just my opinon.

Greg, you may be on to something. I'll have to look a little more into this, but the obverse crown does have some anomalies that I can't say with absolute certainty were the result of hand-finishing or a different Type A mold.

[Roglebk]

It really looks as it's painted. Either a jubileé cross or a early issued Type A that was repainted somewhere in time.