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    #16
    I believe this is a Type A, Greg. As with the 1813 cores, there were a few different molds that produced slightly different Type A cores. The most noticeable differences were in the shape and thickness of the oakleaf stem and the obverse 'W'. This one matches one of the types, in my opinion.
    Best regards,
    Streptile

    Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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      #17
      Originally posted by Montgomery Burns View Post
      painted ?
      My thoughts too Kay, thats why i asked for better pics.


      Tom> Yup, close ups of the cross, numbers and crowns would help a lot.

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        #18
        Originally posted by streptile View Post
        I believe this is a Type A, Greg. As with the 1813 cores, there were a few different molds that produced slightly different Type A cores. The most noticeable differences were in the shape and thickness of the oakleaf stem and the obverse 'W'. This one matches one of the types, in my opinion.
        Interesting---This is the first I have ever heard of there being more
        than one Type A. Do we have any confirmation on multiple styles?

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          #19
          Originally posted by gregM View Post
          Interesting---This is the first I have ever heard of there being more
          than one Type A. Do we have any confirmation on multiple styles?
          I jumped the gun on posting this a little, because I want to assemble a longer thread in which I can really explain and illustrate some things I've noticed about Type A 1870 cores. So, for the moment, I would just say that I do believe there are differences between Type A's that may be the result of the hand-finishing process, and may be the result of different molds. My instinct is to believe that there were multiple molds that made slightly different cores. After all, is it reasonable to believe that there was just one Type A core mold? We see this with 1813 cores, also. There is a serif-date version, and a sans-serif version, which clearly came from different molds.

          I'm not sure the differences between Type As are substantial enough to say there are multiple different "types" of Type As cores, so I probably shouldn't have used the word.
          Best regards,
          Streptile

          Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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            #20
            you're not the only one in this ,Trevor.

            I to think there are Moore then one mould involved ,

            not to speak off replacements due time

            regards kay

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              #21
              I think that a true "type A" as defined in the BDOS artical should all be
              identical. After the Berlin foundery was shut down, Godet and Wagner and
              others had to come up with other cores. THAT is where we start sssing the
              variations. We know Godet came u with the "short 7" style core but what about Wagner? Quite possibly, their replacement core was not a 100%
              match to the Berlin foundry core. Plus there were other makers--let's not foget the "LL" marked examples.

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                #22
                Originally posted by gregM View Post
                I think that a true "type A" as defined in the BDOS artical should all be identical.
                That conclusion I don't come to, reading the article. Let's wait what Trevor works on...
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                          #27
                          So, do these close-up photos tell you guys anything more about this particular cross???

                          Tom

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                            #28
                            Tom,
                            I think we have agreed to disagree. In my opinion the new photos
                            showing the paint loss points even more towards a Jubilee cross and
                            not a pre-1873 Type A. Like I said--Just my opinon.

                            Either way, It's still a great cross and one I'd be proud to own.

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                              #29
                              Originally posted by gregM View Post
                              Tom,
                              I think we have agreed to disagree. In my opinion the new photos
                              showing the paint loss points even more towards a Jubilee cross and
                              not a pre-1873 Type A. Like I said--Just my opinon.
                              Greg, you may be on to something. I'll have to look a little more into this, but the obverse crown does have some anomalies that I can't say with absolute certainty were the result of hand-finishing or a different Type A mold.
                              Best regards,
                              Streptile

                              Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                                #30
                                It really looks as it's painted. Either a jubileƩ cross or a early issued Type A that was repainted somewhere in time.

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