naval cross of honor bar w/ clasp & IC ll

[Don D.]

The reverse of this bar. Note the hinge placement. The hinge goes to the top so that even if the pin becomes undone the bar will not fall off.

[Wik]

So the Bavarian award (to Bavaria) was a higher award than the EKII, thus has the place of honor on your bar. The hinge is also behind or near the Bavarian medal, just as you said was the case with the highest honor award.



Correct? Or did I miss something?

[Don D.]

What the frack?? I mean what does frack mean, or what is the term frack related to ? I haven't ever heard that term before . That medal bar hinge is also something i never knew. Makes sense why the hinge is on the ICll side. Thanks for the input , and if anyone has a naval cross of honor to post please do for those who are unfamiliar with what it looks like.. You know i havent seen many medals bars in the last few years, and now in a week i have bought several first hand.

Not sure what the literal translation is but you will also hear these called tuxedo bars, for formal wear.

[Don D.]

So the Bavarian award (to Bavaria) was a higher award than the EKII, thus has the place of honor on your bar. The hinge is also behind or near the Bavarian medal, just as you said was the case with the highest honor award.



Correct? Or did I miss something?

Correct for the Bavarian up until 1934ish when the regs were changed to put the EK2 in the superior postion. This also helps to date bars.

[Wik]

So how do you know if a bar has been tampered with? When I first started collecting I very much wanted to get a few of these, but was kinda steered away being told they were more "advanced" because not only do you need to know the medals well, but also the condition and such of the actual bar or mount. Some have the felt backing, some are more exposed and some have the metal backing. I guess that is also part of the dating process of these?


Ryan

[Chip M]

If I'm not mistaken, that sword and wreath device is normally worn on a honor legion medal ribbon, not a Flandernkreuz. The ribbons are quite similar, but that of the Marine cross does not have the thin extra white line one either side of the central back stripe. But this makes your job a lot easier, because the medal is very common and much cheaper than the Marine cross.

Chip

[juoneen]

Who would have thought this measely bar would have gotten so many educational comments about bars, as i knew none of this prior, and my thanks go out to all . Now all i have to do is figure out wich medal is the honor legion medal. While im at it, heres the other one,....not related, but maybe youll have some comments on the way this one is set up also.

[juoneen]

[juoneen]

[Kaleun]

@ Juoneen: your Frack bar is a nice example and can be easily completed. It needs the Ehrenlegion medal, not a Flanderskreuz.

@ Don, your description of a Frackspange is absolutely accurate: but have you noticed that your Meiningen Frack bar - whilst a beautiful example - actually has the "wrong" hinge set-up?? When looking at the back, the hook should be on the right bottom end.

The reverse of this bar. Note the hinge placement. The hinge goes to the top so that even if the pin becomes undone the bar will not fall off.

[Kondor]

Flandern Kreuz

Since no one has posted one, here is mine with two "battle bars" on the ribbon. Top one says "Somme" and the bottom, " Durchbruchtschlacht" (break through battle). I always found this cross to be the best designed of the veterans medals and sorry that it was denied after 1934. I have another one that was "cut" from a ribbon bar and it has a unit traditions bar instead of the battle bars. That bar has "1st Marine Division" with a little anchor device as part of the bar.

[Don D.]

"@ Don, your description of a Frackspange is absolutely accurate: but have you noticed that your Meiningen Frack bar - whilst a beautiful example - actually has the "wrong" hinge set-up?? When looking at the back, the hook should be on the right bottom end. "

Correct and well spotted. Medal bars are a science and even when you think you have it down thier is always something that shows up different than it should be.

Juoneen- nice post 1934 bar to a junior Bavarian officer.

[Don D.]

So how do you know if a bar has been tampered with? When I first started collecting I very much wanted to get a few of these, but was kinda steered away being told they were more "advanced" because not only do you need to know the medals well, but also the condition and such of the actual bar or mount. Some have the felt backing, some are more exposed and some have the metal backing. I guess that is also part of the dating process of these?


Ryan

Ryan, that would be a good subject for its own thread.

[saschaw]

I have a lose "Flandernkreuz" at the moment for sale but you are very right - on your bar, it's the Ehrenlegion coin that's missing. Ribbons are slightly different and the device makes it clear.

For those who still want to know what the missing medal looks like: Here is one http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=420773

[HeikoGrusdat]

You don`t have to look for a "naval cross" (whatever this is..) , I think you are talking about the cross of the Marinekorps Flandern - but this ribbon is a bit different.... On your bar is missing the medal of the austrian honour legion , some kind of Veterans warriors association , and the sword / wreath on the ribbon is the "combattant" sign for this medal....

Have a look in the thread with the saxon Frackspange and the ribbon of the turkish half moon that is actually running in this forum , on this bar you will see your missing medal...