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    A Riddle solved...Or is it?

    Hi, mates. An exiting thing happened to me this past saturday and i would like to share it with you. I was talking to a friend of mine on the phone and we were talking about this and that, but finally got down to awards. He had recently acquired a 1870 ek2 and since i had one too, we started to compare them, witch is quite difficult, on the phone.. Well, he suddenly noticed that there was a mark on the suspension ring and it was that of Wagner und sohn. I instantly said that it must be a later piece, because the older ones, to my knowlegde, didn't have any markings. I also noted that i had no mark on my piece, as i have known ever since i got it about 18 months ago. But still i checked it, suspencion ring was clear, no marks there. Then i suddenly noticed something were vague and tiny at the side of the little ring between cross and the suspension ring. I couldn't make it out, it so damned small, so i told my friend that i would have to wait to get a digitalcamera for closeups. After an hour on the phone we stopped said goodbye. Yesterday i phoned my friend with a digital camera, but he couln't make it that day. So another day wen't by.. Finally today, an hour ago, my mate showd up and we toke the pics. And no i have an maker marked 1870ek2. From the pic below, you can clearly see an "W", but rest was too much for the camera, i'll try get a closer look at it in a jewellors shop later. So two questions remain: What is the maker and from witch period is it? I have never seen a marked 1870ek2 before i saw Jani's one and the makermarks position is, IMO, quite interesting.. Opinions, PLEASE!
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    #2
    Hmmm....could be W-S for Wagner & Sohn.

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      #3
      Yep, thought so too.. Infact, i can't see who else could it be, since Sy Wagner should have the "Sy" infront.
      Antti

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        #4
        I agree with Doug. Congratulations. Now I'm going to have to take a closer look at mine

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          #5
          Now since that is solved, how about the timing? From what period could this be?
          Antti

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            #6
            The riddle continues

            What about this 1870, then? It clearly has a "3" stamped into the small ring.
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            George

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              #7
              And here's a mark on the small ring of a "24" marked 1939 EK 2.

              George

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                #8
                I'd think...

                It's WuS for Wagner und Söhne... IMO

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                  #9
                  Looks like i've created a whole new set of mysteries.. I'm feeling quite proud of myself now! Yep, Rick, i suspected that, but the timing is the problem..
                  Antti

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                    #10
                    Antti, I have two EKII 1914 with the mark "Wa" in the small ring like your 1870. Please compare your 1870 EKII to this 1914 EKII marked "Wa".
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                      #11
                      After a quick comparison, I'm sorry, but they are not alike..
                      Antti

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                        #12
                        Antti,

                        If both of our crosses are Wagners, as it seems to be...
                        (http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=40748)

                        They are not from the same period, but from what period (?)

                        Jani
                        - Military historian and dealer from Finland.
                        - Collecting Finnish awards, German EK1's 1939, KVK1's w/o swords and Tirolian shooting badges.
                        I still need EK1's L/14 Screwback and Pinback.

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by JensF.
                          Antti, I have two EKII 1914 with the mark "Wa" in the small ring like your 1870. Please compare your 1870 EKII to this 1914 EKII marked "Wa".
                          My WuS (http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ad.php?t=40748) is also totally different...

                          Thanks for picture Jens!

                          Jani
                          Last edited by jani_tiainen; 01-06-2004, 04:06 PM.
                          - Military historian and dealer from Finland.
                          - Collecting Finnish awards, German EK1's 1939, KVK1's w/o swords and Tirolian shooting badges.
                          I still need EK1's L/14 Screwback and Pinback.

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                            #14
                            Don't forget Werner & Sohne, who is believed to have used the mark "WUS". Wanger pieces were more likely marked just "W".

                            Also, notice that there is another current thread about an 1870 EK2 with a WUS makers mark. Good luck.

                            Tim
                            "Gentlemen! You can't fight in here, this is the War Room!" - President Merkin Muffley

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                              #15
                              Does anyone's MARKED EKII 1870 match Leo's unmarked EKII presented in 1870-1?
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