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    A study of the 1870/71 Verdienstkreuz für Frauen und Jungfrauen

    Also known as the 'Womens and Virgins' or 'Womens and Maidens' cross.

    http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verdien...und_Jungfrauen

    The Forum taught me that there are 2 versions, is that correct? Only saw 2 so far and they are:

    1. Right in pic. "W" marked for maker Wagner or is it M? Straighter arms than the 2nd version, wider gap between the inner corners and fatter red cross. Doughnutshaped jumpring sits higher in the frame. Best way of telling them apart is the square die flaws that looks similar to the "Juncker Crosshatching" on the inner corners.

    2. Left in pic, unmarked. Got wider and more curved arms and gap between inner corners are narrower. Jumpring is lower. Red cross is thinner.
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    #2
    W or M mark

    The mark is definately engraved, either a W or a M. I lean against W.
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      #3
      Square die flaws on the W marked cross

      Characteristical square shaped flaws on 3 of the inner corners. There are quite extensive "hairline cracks" in the frames too, this particular cross was stamped late in the dies "life". No use in trying to tell the versions apart by the core details, each individual cross differs because the silver inlays are hand made.
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        #4
        Crown on the W-marked

        Extremly nice, and small, engraved details on the crown on both crosses.
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          #5
          Obverse of the W-marked

          Front is actually the less nice side of the cross. "Doughnut" jumpring is a part of the stamped framehalf and not attached, just like on the RK's.
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            #6
            Reverse of W-marked

            The nicer side, imagine the hard work put into these. The black enamel is like a mirror and very hard to photograph, camera and operator reflects in the surface. Had to get pics from an angle.
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              #7
              Good idea for a thread and Great pictures. These are some of my
              favorite Imperial medals. The detail and craftsmanship on these are
              simply beautiful.

              One note however. There is a 3rd variation. One with the jump
              ring soldered on perpendicular to the frame. It also has a different
              crown and slightly smaller date. Unfortunately I do not have a picture
              that I can post .

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                #8
                Thanks Greg, read about the 3rd version somewhere here but must have blocked it out. Jumpring is more like a EKII then but still in the Prinzen size? Anyone got pics?

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Roglebk View Post
                  Jumpring is more like a EKII then but still in the Prinzen size?
                  That's correct.

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                    #10
                    Great pieces, photos, and thread. Keep the info coming; unfortunately I've nothing to add.
                    Best regards,
                    Streptile

                    Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                      #11
                      Comparising pic

                      A very happy LW marked 1914 EKII.
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                        #12
                        Reverse

                        Mirror mirror on the wall.
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                          #13
                          Great photos, thanks for starting this thread. I'm still looking for one of these as it is at the top of my wish list.

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                            #14
                            2nd version obverse

                            Unmarked, no "square flaws" and more pointy inner corners. This one comes close to 34 mm in size, 1st version is 33mm. Should have put a matte black disc on the camera lens to get rid of the reflection.
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                              #15
                              2nd version reverse

                              My favourite cross, no hairline crack die flaws in the frames and the enamel and inlays are just perfect. Shape reminds a lot of 1939 ones.
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