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    #1

    Observer's Badge?

    Sorry.....don't remember if I posted this one before. I never collected Imperial stuff, and I do not remember when, how, where and how much on this badge. I don't know anything about it......don't even know if it is "real"......looks more like TR period in a way to me. What can you tell me?

    Thanks,
    Ron

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    Hi Ron,

    I don't recall seeing one exactly like this before. Really poor obverse crown detail, ?fantasy markings I've never seen before and imo post-45 hardware do not give this example much chance.

    Regards
    Mike
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      #3
      On the plus side, the enamel work looks ok. Let's see the marks.

      The reverse set up almost looks S&Lish.
      pseudo-expert

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        #4
        Originally posted by Mike Kenny View Post
        imo post-45 hardware
        I agree that this looks like a 1957-era setup.


        Photo: WAF member vic007
        Best regards,
        Streptile

        Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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          #5
          Originally posted by Don Doering View Post
          On the plus side, the enamel work looks ok. Let's see the marks.

          The reverse set up almost looks S&Lish.

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            #6
            certainly 57er hardware, I have a 1957 retired pilot badge with same setup.Ferg1

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              #7
              I can't find a match for the marks. I thought the * mark might be Austrian......
              pseudo-expert

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                #8
                I am just guessing now, because I absolutely know nothing about the subject; my guess would be that it is not a repro..........whatever it is.........post WW1, pre-WW2 (which I suppose could have been said as Weimar ), WW2 or post WW2. The reason for that guess is it seems well made, the marks are deep and distinct.......and, I would think if someone was trying to make a repro they would pick a mark that was fairly easily identified......not obscure. I would think, if all that were so, that Don would have found out what maker the mark represented; however, all my guesswork could be totally wrong.

                Now I am even more curious as to what it is..........and when it is from!

                Thanks,
                Ron

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                  #9
                  Interesting badge, with striking similarities in hardware to a 1957 award, but defintitely not a 1957 New Form award.

                  Keep in mind that Form awards were created to allow veterans to wear their hard earned combat awards in a de-Nazified version. As this badge never displayed a swastika, it would not have been reissued in the New Form tradtion.

                  Here is a list (roughly translated) of permitted and banned 1957 awards:

                  Federal Republic of Germany from 1957 under Title Act, orders and decorations from 26.07.1957

                  40 mm Band:
                  Grand Cross of Merit, and higher levels of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany
                  Knight's Cross of the Iron Cross in its steps
                  Knight's Cross of War Merit Cross with swords and without
                  Olympic Medal 1st class
                  Bavarian Order of Merit
                  Great Cross of Merit of the Lower
                  Medal of the German Red Cross 1st class (1922-1937)
                  Orden Pour le Merite for Arts and Sciences
                  Knights in its steps

                  25 mm Band:
                  Merit 1st Class Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany
                  Honor leaf brooch or clasp
                  German Cross in Gold
                  Iron Cross 1st Class
                  German Cross in Silver
                  War Merit Cross 1st class
                  Cross of the Order of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany
                  Lifesaving medal with ribbon
                  Iron Cross 2nd class
                  Orders and medals for Meritorious Service in World War I in order of presentation
                  Close Combat, front air and naval combat badges with spanges and use numbers
                  Wound Badge
                  Medal of Merit of the Federal Republic of Germany
                  Special badges for armor and low-flying aircraft destruction
                  Assault, combat or war, including the shields, badges
                  Cross of Honor of World War I.
                  War Merit Cross 2nd class
                  Medal Eastern Front 1941/42 "
                  Performance and Activity Badges
                  German peace awards in order of presentation
                  State approved awards in order of presentation
                  Foreign bravery awards
                  Other external awards
                  All awards of the German Reich 1933-45 be worn without the swastika.

                  The following decorations of the Nazi Party and its formations or on the occasion of the establishment the Greater German Reich was founded, are prohibited

                  German National Prize for Arts and Science
                  Order of the German Eagle
                  SS Service Award
                  Medal to commemorate the 13th March 1938
                  Medal to commemorate the 01 October 1938
                  Medal to commemorate the return of Memel
                  Cross of Honor of the German Mother
                  Spanish Cross
                  German Cross of Honor for surviving Spanish Civil War
                  Wound Badge for German volunteers in the Spanish War of Independence
                  Armored troops of the Condor Legion Badges
                  Medal for German people care
                  West Wall Medal
                  Sports, performance and winner Badge

                  The German version can be seen here... CLICK

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by mbizy View Post
                    Interesting badge, with striking similarities in hardware to a 1957 award, but defintitely not a 1957 New Form award.
                    Thanks for that, Mike. By "defintitely not a 1957 New Form award," you mean not an officially authorized award, but there are many indications that this piece was made around 1957. Just to clarify.
                    Best regards,
                    Streptile

                    Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                      #11
                      He means there was no reason to create a "new form" as the old Imperial form had nothing to do with the nazis. Imperial awards were made right alongside 57er awards by producers for the veterans of WW1 that earned them.
                      pseudo-expert

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                        #12
                        I think it is post WW2 and not a wearer copy.

                        Regards Alex

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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Don Doering View Post
                          He means there was no reason to create a "new form" as the old Imperial form had nothing to do with the nazis. Imperial awards were made right alongside 57er awards by producers for the veterans of WW1 that earned them.
                          Right, better said
                          Best regards,
                          Streptile

                          Looking for ROUND BUTTON 1939 EK1 Spange cases (LDO or PKZ)

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                            #14
                            Originally posted by Don Doering View Post
                            He means there was no reason to create a "new form" as the old Imperial form had nothing to do with the nazis. Imperial awards were made right alongside 57er awards by producers for the veterans of WW1 that earned them.
                            Yep. Thanks Don.

                            The award could very well have been made along side New Form awards in 1957, but it is not a New Form award. It could be an S&L as the hardware has an S&L look to it. The quality to the obverse seems somewhat below S&L standards, but as demand for awards decreased so did budget to keep production standards at proper levels.

                            Again, interesting piece.

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                              #15
                              Very interesting fellows......thanks.

                              Does anyone have any thoughts on desireability, scarcity or worth of the badge?

                              Thanks,
                              Ron

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