Who made these Schinkels...Schickle?

[Don D.]

Let's face it though. It would be easier to fake a one piece cross than a three piece cross. I just don't think we've ever applied much brain power to these.

[gregM]

There are 2 different style of dates used on these. Don's is a perfect
example of the 2nd style of date.

Here's a side by side of the dates.

[Jimmy]

Dates

I was just noticing the differences between Dons 1914 and my dates.

As to the two crosses of mine if you held them you would see there is no difference in the mfg other than the two different styles (1914 & 1939).

The screw backs are twins the color where the finish is worn is identical.
The finish of the badge its self is the same.

Lets not forget that these are one piece hence no core. .
But they are magnetic. The base medal appears to be gold colored.

They are for sure three different dies (Dons 1914,my 1914 & 1939) I would guess my two were made in tandem provably the very early 1940's.
I would also hazard a guess that Dons 1914 was made in the Imperial time and mine was made during the third Reich. By the same unknown manufacturer.

Weitze has a 1939 very much like mine for sale on his site.

[streptile]

Hi,

Great crosses. Good discussion, too.

Lets not forget that these are one piece hence no core.

A side point:

I know these 1939s are known as Schinkels, and I myself have used the term to describe these exact crosses in the past, but I've since come to believe they are technically not Schinkels (or Schinkelforms, as they used to be known).

A Schinkel Iron Cross is, by definition, a 1939 cross that was manufactured using leftover stock from 1914-series crosses. As this is not the case with any one-piece examples, I find the term incorrect when used to describe them. This has no impact on rarity or value or authenticity; it's just an incidental point I thought I'd make here.

Of course, dealers and collectors do use this term to describe these pieces all the time.

~Trevor

[streptile]

Well, I didn't mean to stop the conversation dead...