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    Who made these Schinkels...Schickle?

    Who made this cute pair?
    That is what I think is the hard part, who made them?
    Magnetic one piece constrution.

    Schinkel by Schickle?
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        Magnetic ?

        Interesting. I have a 1st pinback class and a 2nd class version of these crosses. Both are non-magnetic and are die struct from nuesilber.

        The Imperial ones have always been assumed to be 1920s-30s made.
        As far as I know, we still have not identified the maker.

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          Are we sure they are by the same maker? The numbers are different (1 and9s).
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            Originally posted by Don Doering View Post
            Are we sure they are by the same maker? The numbers are different (1 and9s).
            I think they are. This style has some harsh angles in the frame beading
            on the inside of the outer corners. It can be seen on both crosses.
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              Here is a closer view of the corners from one of mine.
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                1's & 9's

                Would not the cores be different dies since one is a 1914 and one is a 1939?
                Hence the different 1's & 9's.
                Jimmy

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                  But the "frames" share simularities. So, did they modify a working die of the 1914 cross for the 1939 cross?
                  pseudo-expert

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                    or as suggested in the thread in the TR section, are all of these
                    FAKES?

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                      Can we show a "fake" with these same characteristics?
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                        http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...lenotsupported

                        http://cgi.ebay.com/German-WWI-Iron-...lenotsupported

                        http://cgi.ebay.com/WWI-GERMAN-IRON-...lenotsupported

                        http://cgi.ebay.de/EISERNES-KREUZ-1-...3A1%7C294%3A50

                        The dates on these look pretty close but the crowns are harder to compare. I don't think any are a match.
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                          Greg

                          The only person ever to say these were fakes was that know nothing on the TR forum a long time ago.
                          I bought them some time ago from a respected Hamburg dealer not to say he's not infallible.
                          And then Gordon Williamson looked at them for me. His opinion was positive. They are real. I think he even had a represented piece in his book.
                          Greg I've never seen you react in such a way.
                          Jimmy

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                            Jimmy,
                            I have NO problem at all with the 1914. I can not say for sure on the 1939.
                            I was just reacting to Don's post. These have been accepted as original
                            for some time. Although I have to admit that the similarities to the polish
                            fake are amazing. In my humble opinion, the fakers used an original as
                            a master for making the fakes. The frames are spot on correct but there
                            is a diference to the core details. When I can get good close up
                            pictures of one of these fakes, I will show the differences.

                            Does anyone have one of the fakes that would like to share some pictures,
                            please send me a PM.

                            G.

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                              Jimmy, I have no problem with yours either. I just see more of the fakes with the same numeral style popping up. Here is the one piece I own.
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