Prinzen or 3/4 1914 EK2

[old siagon]

Hello,

I have this new cross I picked up wich was represented as a Prinzen 1914 EK2

It is pictured next to a standard size 1914 EK2. Is it a Prinzen or 3/4 size cross?

Opinions please.
Thank you,
Vince

[Biro]

...Is it a Prinzen or 3/4 size cross?....

Vince

Sadly, it is a Prinzen... but not one you will want to keep in your collection. If you use the search function, you will read all about this type.

[old siagon]

Vince

Sadly, it is a Prinzen... but not one you will want to keep in your collection. If you use the search function, you will read all about this type.

Hello,

I am not sure what to search for. Can you be more specific?
Thank you for your help.
My best,
Vince

[Biro]

Try some of these Vince...

just in : prinzen 1870 ek2

1870 EK2 on eStand!

1870 P=G EK2 from eStand, Redux

Weighing in on Step-Side Imperial EK Prinzens


etc....

Regards

Marshall

[Don D.]

Marshall is spot on.

[ekhunter]

Prinzen?

Don't feel too bad, you are not alone with getting stuck with one of these. They've actually been around for quite a while, because I first bought one over twenty years ago. Beware, as they also come in 1870, 1914, first and second class. It could be worse, you could be like some poor chap I know, and be stuck with three of them.

[streptile]

These have been a disappointment for me, too. I have one that I cherished for many years that now sits in a drawer awaiting some final reckoning...

By the way, what are the measurements of that one, Vince? The ones I'm used to seeing are about 26mmx26mm, but that one seems like it could be larger. If so, it's news to me.

[old siagon]

Prinzen junk

These have been a disappointment for me, too. I have one that I cherished for many years that now sits in a drawer awaiting some final reckoning...

By the way, what are the measurements of that one, Vince? The ones I'm used to seeing are about 26mmx26mm, but that one seems like it could be larger. If so, it's news to me.

Hello,

Sorry to hear that so many of us have been burned by this item over the years. I know who sold this to me and will take aggressive action to get a full refund.

I do not have access to the cross at this time but it is very close to 26mm.

I see you are collecting 1957 items as well? I have just started collecting 1957 items and am having a blast. I have an L/11 mm 57 EK1.

Is this a legitimate maker? If it is magnetic whats your offer?

My best,
Vince

[streptile]

I see you are collecting 1957 items as well? I have just started collecting 1957 items and am having a blast. I have an L/11 mm 57 EK1.
Is this a legitimate maker? If it is magnetic whats your offer?
My best,
Vince

Let's take this to PM...

EDIT after PMs: Vince, if you had no intention of selling this piece for any price, why did you solicit an offer from me?

[Don D.]

correct. keep the sales to the estand and not in the information forums please.

[streptile]

Three sizes!

After doing some looking around, some photshop relative-measurements, and some thinking, I believe that these popular fakes come in three sizes:

The one in this thread posted by sftrooper is about 33mm x 33mm:



The one in this thread, posted by yours truly, is a 26mm x 26mm (notice the different curvature of the arms, among other hallmarks of this, the smallest piece):




And the one in the last post post of the just-mentioned thread is a full-size - c.42mm x 42mm - 1813:



So, from what I can tell so far: The full size 42mm 1813's and the 26mm Prinzens have the distinctive "small crown" on both sides (see above), while the 33mm Prinzen (which appears to be the most common - also seen many other posts on the forum) has the small crown on the obverse and the somewhat larger crown on the reverse.

I post this all here in one place as a reference for future collectors: these are all almost certainly fake, and they exist in three sizes.

[streptile]

For interest's sake:

Currently offered AS A FAKE / REPRODUCTION at Andreas Thies Auktionhaus: