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    It's Not Easy Being... Green. Another Monochromatic Ribbon Bar Mystery

    Moderator Ricky made a house call today to drop off the teensy tiny Austrian Wehrmacht bar over in the General Wehrmacht Forum and this one.

    From the seller's scan (and the seller, BTW, stuck STICKY LABELS ON THE OBVERSES OF EACH OF HIS RIBBON BARS< LEAVING PERMANENT STAINS--- duuuuhhh!!!! ), it looked like the solid blue was a Prussian Crown Order (or less likely, a Württemberg Friedrich Order). But nope, the Two Rickies compared many a long service and Crown and this is just a softly faded out long service.

    Odd combination-- Brunswick (X Corps) and the two Lippes (VII Corps). The Brunswick House Order of Henry the Lion in next to last place is unusual, but as a "pre-1897 seniority" not much of a clue.

    Because: what the heck is the solid green in final place?

    1) Brunswick Lifesaving Medal? (So rare I can find NO 1914 officer with one)

    2) Turkish Lifesaving Medal? (with no other Turkish award?)

    3) Italian Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus (and so a 1920s bar, not worn during the war when Italy was the enemy 1916-18?)

    4) Persian Order of the Sun and Lion?

    5) Swedish Vasa Order?

    6)

    So far I have found a lot of "cross pollination" between VII and X Corps among administrative Beamten, but... no match.

    It is GOOD to have something to do on long dark winter nights when nothing is on TV!
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    #2
    Hi Rick,

    nice little jewel!!!
    Jaja German ribbons! There are even useless devices or there are simple ribbons used in a handful of countries to make people like us a lot of work!

    Best regards

    Daniel

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      #3
      Green? I'm pegging this one just to see how it turns out.

      Poor Rick L., and now you won't have the Reagens to watch on CBS.

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        #4
        Several of my sources (including an old Karl Loy ribbon sample display) has the Italian Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus as all green.

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          #5
          green

          . This is the umpteenth time I've tried to respond and it keeps telling me the forum is too full for my message so, I'll make it brief . Go with the Persian as it is more likely than the Italian due to war as mentioned as well as professions which tended to be awarded the St.M&L.It's possible,but clergy(RC),medical,academic,or diplomatic are the most likely.The Persian was awarded to any gov't official,rail,post,police,military,medical type as it was cheaper than tipping people and potential allies.Cynical,but that's the way the Shah ran his show.
          Notice green and smiling 'cause they got another gong.

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            #6
            nice bar - and interesting
            but i would say, thet the ribbon number 4 is the ribbon for the baltenkreuz 2nd class.
            and the yellow one probably for the centenar medal.
            but i don't know it for sure - these are my first impressions.
            christian

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              #7
              whoops!

              Hi Christian, Rick's listing wasn't what ribbon is what, but rather what all the options were for the last ribbon in green!

              Originally posted by Christian L
              nice bar - and interesting
              but i would say, thet the ribbon number 4 is the ribbon for the baltenkreuz 2nd class.
              and the yellow one probably for the centenar medal.
              but i don't know it for sure - these are my first impressions.
              christian

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                #8
                sorry - should thinking before writeing

                christian

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Rick Lundström
                  Because: what the heck is the solid green in final place?

                  3) Italian Order of Saints Maurice and Lazarus (and so a 1920s bar, not worn during the war when Italy was the enemy 1916-18?)

                  6)
                  Gee, if you're going to open it up to post-1918, then you should add the Hungarian Order of Merit and the Signum Laudis on the civil ribbon.

                  I would vote for Persia or Sweden, though.

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                    #10
                    Yup. Just found out the Persian Lifesaving Medal came on an all green ribbon too, though that's quite a bit more unlikely than a "thanks for lighting my cigarette" S&L.

                    In fact, I am increasingly coming to wonder if that IS the Brunswick House Order of Henry the Lion after the 1897 medal, which would be a freaky place for a BRUNSWICKER to wear it. Doesn't seem possible that it is a Spanish Order of Saint Ferdinand, so must return to the research mines AGAIN.

                    I have also been mulling over whether it was the Lippe-Detmold Military Merit Medal, whose 1914 incarnation was a freakish thing given only to Detmold citizens in their own battalion of the 55th Infantry Regiment who had been wounded but as of then had NOT received an EK2...

                    but the only two of those on bars I have seen (two styles for the same recipient, actually) had swords devices on the ribbon. And a native Detmolder wouldn't have worn the Brunswick Ernst August Cross before his own War Merit Cross.

                    Here's the back, just for additional entertainment. Typical no backing WW1 style construction. Slightly age dulled silk "minties" like this are soooooooo nice.
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by Rick Lundström
                      From the seller's scan (and the seller, BTW, stuck STICKY LABELS ON THE OBVERSES OF EACH OF HIS RIBBON BARS< LEAVING PERMANENT STAINS--- duuuuhhh!!!!
                      Please tell me that the seller wasn't "excalibursammler".. I bought two bars off of him [on eBay], and I've been sweating a tad given that he had labels plastered on the front of all of his bars.

                      --Chris

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                        #12
                        you got trouble explaining this one

                        The last ribbon is for Britain's Volunteer Officers' Long Service Medal.The second last one is British medal for China 1842.It may also be the noncombattant ribbon for the Order of the Griffin (Mecklenberg),but I seriously doubt it.Blue with 2 yellow was for Brit Punjab Campaing or 1848-9.The Pale blue is most likely the Sardinian medal for the Crimean War or the Savoy al Valore for the Crimean war.The blue with 3 white stripes is most likely another British medal;The Queen's Police Medal For Distinguished Service.The yellow is for Long Service in the Imperial Yeomanry.Looks to me like you guys got to get out more and check other countrys' ribbons.This medal bar must be for an English Officer who did service with a yeomanry reg't in China, the Punjab,then the Crimea ,but didn't serve long enough for that medal ;however, he performed an act of heroism and got the Savoian Al Valore or the Sardinian medal.He was in the diplomatic corp for awhile before retiring to England joining the the police as an officer and then served with the volunteers when wanted to get into action again.It's too bad the tailor that mounted his medal bar( That would make an interesting sight) hadn't been sober and able put them all in the correct order.The other 2 ribbons are speculation due to the spectrum shift in the photos.
                        I think that explains it once and for all.
                        Hope I didn't offend your sensibilities ,but as Rick L. would say,"confuse a cat".
                        Last edited by stevenn; 11-06-2003, 12:36 AM.

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                            #14
                            ok, now i know, that the last, green ribbon is mentioned.
                            i've found a few possiblities more:
                            sachsen-coburg-gotha golden or silver medal for art and science or ürgerliche verdienst
                            sachsen kingdom: treue in der arbeit
                            same: small golden medal for art and science
                            prussia: orden vom weißen hirschen
                            nassau: all agriculture awards
                            anhalt complet: long service awards
                            thats all i found out.
                            christian

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                              #15
                              Hi sleepy Rick ,

                              you couldn't find an officer with the brunswick livesaving medal !?!?!??! And what do you say about this bar????

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