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    #16
    mecklenburg group

    the shah of Persia made state visits to europe in 1873 and 1906 when he handed these out to those who were important

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      #17
      T'uther side:
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        #18
        many thanks for the reverse pic of the bar - and a markers mark!
        its going nicer by each pic
        christian

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          #19
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          I figure the Sun and Lion was awarded during one of the shah's visits to Europe.He popped in in 1873 and again in 1906

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            #20
            That is most likely.
            I agree with Rick that he also held a Griffin Officers cross.
            Anyway the Wend. Crown is a rare award, the Golden Merit cross was still given to Professors which would get knights crosses or even Commanders grades in other countries.

            Best regards

            Daniel

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              #21
              mecklenburg group

              Please don't tell me I may need to hunt down a Griffin officer grade as I have just blown my $$$$ on Oldenburg Order of Peter Fred. Ludw. grand cross with swords on the ring and if I need to find a Griffin I may need to find a new place to live just so I can "accomodate"it in my collection.

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                #22
                persian Order of the Sun and the Lion.

                I have never seen a Pursian order on a european order bar.

                Is this most unusual to see a Persian order on any medal bars to Germany, France, Britain, Italy, etc............


                Great bar. Makes me want to collect Imperial again.

                I am committed to not buying any more Imperial German awards until I sell-trade my old style ribbon bar that I bought from stogieman. I cannot understand why nobody wants it. I would think Rick would buy it but...........

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                  #23
                  German General with Persian Orders

                  Hello All....

                  Here is a Painting that I have which shows an Imperial General with the Sun and Lion Commanders neck badge and Breast Star...

                  I'm still trying to ID this guy... any ideas ??

                  Later
                  Mark
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                    #24
                    a better pic

                    Here is a better pic

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                      #25
                      He is also decorated with the japanese Order of the Sacred Treasure and a romanian order. Very interesting!

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                        #26
                        WOW again!!! That General is also wearing a neck order from Sweden and Japan as well!!!! I wonder what else he's wearing, I knew what two of them were and I'd guess on a few more, but that is one IMPRESSIVE grouping. I wonder where the real ones are today....what collection or museum has them?

                        Who could this important man be who was decorated by so many other lands. What could he have done to get them?

                        HOLY WOW, GOSH DANG< choke...choke....WOW!!!!

                        Rick! We need some help here, before this Texan shoots his own foot!

                        Anymore info on this thread will be greatly appreciated!

                        Thanks,
                        Gary

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                          #27
                          He has such a odd awarding of orders .. I would have thought that I could ID him fairly easily... but he has alluded me so far... He wears the Centennial Medal which I believe came out in 1897 and the tunic was changed in 1909... so that would place him between 1897 and 1909.... But I have had no luck with the Rank Lists so far.......

                          He wears the Red Eagle Order w/oak leaves, The Order of the Crown, Then Italian, then Swedish then Romainian then Japanese and fianlly the Persian.....

                          Cheers
                          Mark

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                            #28
                            a better pic

                            Here is a Better pic....

                            To help to ID..... The sword is a Lion Head.... with the Guard Star !

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                              #29
                              ahhh tese nice portraits!
                              Just wait, maybe I can help You soon. I´m still looking for that guys.

                              Best regards

                              Daniel

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                                #30
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                                Back to ccj's comments:I have 2 or 3 Austrian groups,an Italian group,and a French group ,and a Dutch group with Sun and Lion orders in them.I have wondered if the Shah was like the king of Bokhara and gave out medals etc instead o tipping.The Italian group was to policeman who was part of the Shah's guard in 1906 stae visit to Europe.

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