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**George Stimson** · 12-29-2001, 12:32 PM

Nice cross, Doug. My 1870 example is by Wagner & Sohn.

George

**Doug See** · 12-29-2001, 09:53 PM

Here's a variation on the Wagner 1870 theme:
I. Wagner & S 14 LOTH (vaulted)

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**Billy G** · 01-01-2002, 06:27 PM

Once again you guys kill me. Beautiful pieces, all. Doug, your 1870 is nothing to be ashamed about. I'm a sucker for fastening hooks, and the Godet mark is superlative.

**stogieman** · 01-02-2002, 01:57 AM

Hey guys, Happy New Year! Here is my latest find, an 1870 EK2, jeweler converted to an EK1! Came as a cased pair with an 1895 commemorative medal for the 1870/71 war!

<img src=http://www.imperialorders.com/ebaypix/1870ekset2.jpg>

<img src=http://www.imperialorders.com/ebaypix/1870ekset1.jpg>

**Doug See** · 01-02-2002, 12:19 PM

Rick,
That's a nice one! The conversion looks really well done. Have you seen the cased 1870 EK2 on eBay? Look at the case itself--it's a super piece.

**George Stimson** · 01-02-2002, 12:22 PM

Rick,
Wunderbar!
George

**Billy G** · 01-03-2002, 01:33 AM

Rick,
Once again you have all the luck. Nice piece indeed and great conversion.

**PaulChep** · 01-03-2002, 04:02 PM

I just took a look at the cased 1870 EK2 that was on ebay. It did not sell. The case to me looks like a 1914 EK2 case. I have a very similiar 1914 one in my collection. I would be very carefull purchasing a cased 1870 EK2. It is so very easy for someone to slip a 1870 EK2 in a plain 1914 EK2 case! I only buy a 1870 EK2 case when it has a 1870 decal or emblem on the lid. I have 4 of these in my collection.

**stogieman** · 01-03-2002, 04:20 PM

I agree with Paul, while a beautiful case (eBay 1870 EK2) it is a deluxe case for the 1914 EK2. I confirmed this with Detlev Niemann, who states the same. Too bad, I'd like to have that case with the proper cross for 1914 in it!

**Doug See** · 01-03-2002, 04:24 PM

Paul,
Very good point and probably a wise position to take for that amount of asking price. The cross was offerred to me before it went on eBay through a German dealer I trust. But, since it belonged to his friend and he was not going to back it, I passed. I still like the case, but you are correct in that it may be a put-together set, or a post 1895 jeweler set.

**George Stimson** · 01-03-2002, 06:28 PM

I once got an 1870 EK 2 with 25-year Oakleaf cluster in a case which I later determined was for a 1914 (similar to the one on the right of page 173 of "The Iron Time"). Still, the price was fair enough for what I got: a nice 1870 cross and a nice 1914 case that now holds the correct cross.
George

**Billy G** · 01-03-2002, 09:53 PM

You guys are right, a tough call all the way around. Seller was firm on the price too. I asked as I liked the case, but not for the amount. Indeed a shame.

**Doug See** · 01-03-2002, 11:10 PM

Paul,
Any chance you could post photos of your 1870 cases, and any other unusual cases in your collection? I think cases are a much under-appreciated part of award collecting.

**stogieman** · 01-04-2002, 12:46 AM

HaHa! FINALLY someone sees the stogieman point of view! Cases, packets of issue, cardboard outer boxes....rare, rare, rare!
Sorry, lost it there for a second!
(my pride & joy are a pair of cased St. Henri Knight's Crosses)

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