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    #1

    1914 EKI 1930s made Zimmermann?

    Hi guys,

    Any idea on the manufacturer of this Cross? It looks like a Zimmermann but with a tapered pin, 1930s made?

    Cheers

    Dave

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    I agree that it does look very much like a Zimmerman.
    Can't help with dating it. but it could be a unmarked L/52 Zimmerman
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      Thanks Greg First time I've seen a Zimmermann with this style tapered pin and the one you've shown is the same pin but with a slightly different hinge block, very interesting.

      May I ask what book that is?

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        #4
        I believe this core is as was used by CF Zimmerman for their 1939 model 1914 EK I.
        I don't recognize the frame, but I don't recognize the guy in the mirror at times either!
        The hardware is unfamiliar to me. Can you provide height/width?
        Interesting cross.
        G.

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          #5
          Originally posted by Dave-B View Post
          Thanks Greg First time I've seen a Zimmermann with this style tapered pin and the one you've shown is the same pin but with a slightly different hinge block, very interesting.

          May I ask what book that is?
          I'm not sure, but I think it's the Frank Wernitz book.
          The picture posted is one I stole for my files.

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            #6
            Originally posted by gregM View Post

            I'm not sure, but I think it's the Frank Wernitz book.
            The picture posted is one I stole for my files.
            Thanks Greg.
            I have the Wernitz book and it's not from there though.

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              Originally posted by Inspector Krogh View Post
              I believe this core is as was used by CF Zimmerman for their 1939 model 1914 EK I.
              I don't recognize the frame, but I don't recognize the guy in the mirror at times either!
              The hardware is unfamiliar to me. Can you provide height/width?
              Interesting cross.
              G.
              Unfortunately not as I don't have the Cross in my possession anymore.

              All I can say is that it's Imperial "Schinkel" size and not 1939 EK size. I believe (without checking) Zimmermann '39 model '14 Crosses are actually of the Schinkel style are they not?

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                #8
                It's a nice TR made C.F.Zimmermann
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Dansson View Post
                  It's a nice TR made C.F.Zimmermann
                  Thank you my friend

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                    Originally posted by Dave-B View Post

                    Unfortunately not as I don't have the Cross in my possession anymore.

                    All I can say is that it's Imperial "Schinkel" size and not 1939 EK size. I believe (without checking) Zimmermann '39 model '14 Crosses are actually of the Schinkel style are they not?
                    Attached are some photos of a CF Zimmerman L/52 cross in my collection; Same core as your original post.
                    Always found the CFZ 1914/39 EKI crosses interesting for the reason you state.
                    The "flanges" on the frame are not as wide as other crosses (WWI period or the 1939 "Schinkel").
                    This not only makes them a bit smaller by measurement of course, but makes a significant visual change because of the altered proportions to the frame beading and core.
                    Out of my knowledge for sure, but do not 1914 EK2s attributed to CFZ exhibit narrow flanges as well???
                    G.
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                      Originally posted by Inspector Krogh View Post

                      Attached are some photos of a CF Zimmerman L/52 cross in my collection; Same core as your original post.
                      Always found the CFZ 1914/39 EKI crosses interesting for the reason you state.
                      The "flanges" on the frame are not as wide as other crosses (WWI period or the 1939 "Schinkel").
                      This not only makes them a bit smaller by measurement of course, but makes a significant visual change because of the altered proportions to the frame beading and core.
                      Out of my knowledge for sure, but do not 1914 EK2s attributed to CFZ exhibit narrow flanges as well???
                      G.
                      Hmm interesting, your example does indeed have a very narrow flange. The Cross I've shown appears similar to the example in Dietrichs' EKI book, with a slightly wider flange.

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                        Yup. Facing page (263) shows a narrow flanged example, a screwback.
                        I guess that's why we find these damned things so interesting, huh?!
                        G.
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                          Originally posted by Inspector Krogh View Post
                          Yup. Facing page (263) shows a narrow flanged example, a screwback.
                          I guess that's why we find these damned things so interesting, huh?!
                          G.
                          Absolutely!!

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                            Originally posted by Inspector Krogh View Post
                            I guess that's why we find these damned things so interesting, huh?!
                            G.
                            You've gotta love the variety of Imperial crosses.

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                              very nice Greg
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