Wagner PLM for sale in Sweden

[tystgaard]

Pour Le Merite for sale in Sweden

Estimate 80.000 Swedish kroner



I am not sure about this one, what does the forum say?

Thanks
Nicolai

[August von Mackensen]

Wow, the enamel looks like brand new in my eyes, the ribbon looks like that it was heavily worn, but thats maybe only my opinion


Matt

[gmu]

Looks good. Ribbon too. Solid, silver-gilt. Better pictures?

[tystgaard]

Thanks

If you go via the link to the auction site, there are better photos.


BR
Nicolai

[VtwinVince]

Beautiful enamel work.

[StefanK.]

Isnt that a postwar piece?

[Don D.]

If you go via the link to the auction site, there are better photos.


BR
Nicolai

We don't post links to active auctions.

[tystgaard]

Rule

Sorry Don

Was not aware of that rule. I have nothing to do with the sale and not
bidding just to make it clear. I dont have expert knowledge on
this award. But PLM interest me and would like to learn.
It might also interest the forum, as this is a rare sought after award.
The pics I have attached dont match the high Res. ones from the site.

There are a few things that puzzles me about this cross, that why I have
posted this thread.

Think this thread might not be relevant without the link
You are free to delete the thread if you Wish

BR
Nicolai

We don't post links to active auctions.

[Don D.]

The thread is fine. Pics were more important than the link. What concerns do you have?

[ATIK]

Isnt that a postwar piece?

+1

I agree. Doesn't look good.

[August von Mackensen]

There is not the smallest scratch or damage visible on the reverse of the PLM, and that on a 100+ year old piece, maybe it was newly enameld or so?


Matt

[tystgaard]

The PLM

I have worked with the images. The Ri in rite. The detail in the enamel work dont match what I could find on a few images of other Wagner pieces. But could of course be a later piece? Thats just my observations and could be wrong. Its general looks great, but was just not convinced. Up to now there also seem to be mixed opinions.


It is marked W but no mention of a silver marking.

BR
Nicolai

[GdC26]

The enlargements seem to suggest the cross may have been reenamelled, and fairly crudely so (assuming the basic cross itself is good, which one would need to check further).

[GdC26]

The crown/F spacing/angle may be a bit different to the ones shown here

http://dev.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...highlight=Pour

, but that could also be a result of the angle at which some of the pics are taken.

Otherwise, on a very quick comparison of the crosses themselves, I saw no obvious red flags. So my impression so far is that the thread starter is possibly an original Wagner cross with (poorly) reapplied enamel. A concern in relation to the cross proper though is the absence of a 938 silver content mark, as Nicolai already pointed out.

The pics of the piece shown here seem to suggest re application of the enamel, not chipping from wear.

[gmu]

This is a perfectly fine, original, 1918 silver-gilt piece. Ribbon is also original