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    Strichtarn seems to be the Rodney Dangerfield of obsolete camo patterns (for the non-US forumites, Rodney Dangerfield was a US comic whose catch phrase was "I got no respect..."). It is barely acknowledged as a camo pattern at all, but more like a textured monochrome. A cursory search through the old threads didn't turn up any discussion on it. Perhaps I didn't look hard enough?

    I have a pair Strichtarn pants made in 1965, which I understand was the first year the pattern appeared in the DDR. The construction details are very similar to that of a pair of '64 dated Blumentarn pants I have, with the flapped hip pockets and lozenge-shaped knee reinforcements. Here it is next to a pair of '66 dated pants I pulled from the same surplus store pile that it came out of. Both pairs are made the same way.




    What I find curious is that if you compare these to the later Strichtarn garments, not only do the construction details differ, but the actual camo patterns are different as well. Below, from left to right, are pants dated '65, '66. '76. '78.



    It requires a certain degree of masochism to look for differences in raindrop patterns, as it is highly conducive to headache induction. So I limited myself to looking for the distance between repeats. Clearly, the '65 - '66 pattern has a repeat distance at least twice as long as that of the '70s pattern (a larger drum was used for printing the pattern perhaps?). Also, the '65 raindrops are obviously narrower than the '66 and later ones. So even the lowly Strichtarn appears to have gone through a brief period of evolution! Has anyone else noticed this? Or bothered to?

    cheers,
    Gene T

    #2
    Holy Cow


    I don't know what to say. I can think of a lot of witty things that immediately came to mind, but we haven't been introduced and you might take offense, though that certainly would not be the intent.

    First - I'm impressed. Talk about attention to detail. I don't think I want you going within ten feet of my collection.

    Seriously, you've hit on something I'm certain no one (I mean no one) has before noticed. You are correct, there does seem to be a process of ongoing evolution regarding the "Raindrop" pattern used in the Field Uniforms. What it means is uncertain.

    One can I suppose conclude that the East Germans were satisfied with this pattern, given that they obviously modified it numerous times, but did not change the overall appearance.

    Personally, I question that the Rainpattern qualifies as a camouflage so much as more of a pattern for lending the wearer to blend in to the German Foliage by adding natural elements to it.

    One unique aspect of its design pattern is that as you distance eyesight from it, it changes to an apparent solid olive color. I think this is what the design was actually meant to achieve.

    I know, someone is going to say it was so they couldn't be seen in the rain.

    Gene,

    I commend you for your keen eyesight and powers of observation. I'm serious. I had no idea the pattern ever changed, regardless of how subtle.

    It could also be the result of an an affliction common to the US Military called re-inventing the wheel. Everytime there was a change of command, the new commander would re-invent the old, even though the old worked just fine.
    Interesting discovery and I'd like to hear other members thoughts on Gene's find/discovery.

    Oh yeah, Gene - come out of the rain.
    Michael D. GALLAGHER

    M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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      #3
      Hey Gene...Outstanding detective work...with what you have done with the patterns this thread will for sure be used in the future by other forum members as reference to thier camo patterns. Thanks Gene...
      Somebody, after all, had to make a start. What we wrote and said is also believed by many others. They just don't dare express themselves as we did. Quote - Sophie Scholl - White Rose resistance group

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        #4
        Thanks, Michael and Ralph! Somehow I have trouble envisioning that other people would rush to dig out their Strichtarn gear to pore over them with a magnifying glass. When I was a grad student, I once counted axons in optic nerve sections for a research project, so my tolerance for cranial pain and blurred vision may be somewhat higher than normal. In my heart, I always knew that all those years of taxpayer-supported high education and training would be put to practical use one day, such as the examination of the shape and size of dark brown streaks on pre-owned pants!

        I do have an unrelated question actually. What is the significance of the boxed 'c' stamp on the '66 dated trousers (pictured in the lower right of the first photo)? I only recognize 'NVA' and 'Mdl', so a bit of help here would be most appreciated.

        Thanks in advance!
        Gene T

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          #5
          Gene,

          Regarding the Boxed "C", I have no information. Perhaps David H. or Mike C. might know.
          Michael D. GALLAGHER

          M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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            #6
            Oh God Gene,
            I daily wore these clothes, however, such a thing has never striked me!

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              #7
              welcome to the Forum,Gene

              excellent Observation on the camo pattern

              cheers
              Andreas

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                #8
                Something slightly related, the question of this as an effective cammoflage...

                Well, I'm not quite sure what it really seeks to achieve but it was very popular with the WP countries... the Poles were the first I think to introduce "pine pattern", but on the other hand, raindrop has been a part of German cammoflage before....

                Something that is true is that whilst bold patterns make effective shape disruption for hiding troops, they also make a moving object MORE visible. Ironically, olive drab is about the best (European) cammoflage for soldiers moving.

                Perhaps the NATO woodland, flektarn and DPM patterns vs raindrop and olive drab (of the Soviets) reflects a different view of how WW3 would have panned out... just one of my theories

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Thälmannpionier
                  welcome to the Forum,Gene

                  excellent Observation on the camo pattern

                  cheers
                  Andreas

                  Thanks for the welcome and comments, guys! Actually, after I signed up last July, I have visited these boards almost daily. However, one only needs to look at the number of my posts to see that I am more of a taker than a giver in the knowledge sharing arena, owing principally to the fact that I have very little knowledge that didn't come directly from commonly available reference books.

                  Kozlov made some good points! Regarding Strichtarn's effectiveness as a camo pattern, I actually suspect that the thought process behind its adoption may not have been all that different from that which drove the development and adoption of the current wave of "digital" camo patterns. Apparently the designers of the new "digital" patterns wanted their creation to look like - absolutely nothing - ostensibly because the moment a pattern (or color combination) is perceived, even if it reminds people of a bunch of leaves or some random rocks, rather than a guy with a gun, it is necessarily being noticed, hence the camouflage would have partly lost its effectiveness. If one looks at the leap the US Army is purportedly making from the ubiquitous Woodland pattern to the new digital pattern 'ACUPAT' (which is meant to blend in everywhere, from desert to forest to urban jungles), one might make the not-so-specious (?) argument that the NVA (along with its Warsaw Pact allies) was 40 years ahead of its time in camo design philosophy! With the Strichtarn, perhaps they had gone just a little too far with their reductionistic minimalist approach in producing a 'universal' camo pattern - which looked so much like nothing that it literally WAS nothing. Had they stopped somewhere between the Blumentarn and the Strichtarn, they'd have something very similar to ... the ACUPAT! Only without the pretension that a digital pixel is somehow superior to a hand-painted dot at fooling the human eye from a distance.

                  cheers,
                  Gene T

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                    #10
                    A pattern thats not anything... well, thats an interesting concept. Certainly when you look at some of the fashion clothing thats cammoflaged you notice that their "woodland" prints are repeated far too frequently and actually create a pattern of shapes across the body. Was laughing at that only earlier today on someone

                    No, I still don't know what purpose the rain pattern has!

                    Digital cammo... slightly related topic, when the Soviet KLMK was first seen there was a big flap at how the "computer pixel pattern" was a very hi-tech system to fool NATO advanced optical equipment.... when actually its known as "sun ray" pattern in the CCCP and its actually a representation of pools of light on a forest floor, just simplified to blocks! Was around in WW2 too....

                    Tell you what, perhaps we can do a little test... I'll see if I can talk my friends into doing some photos with different Warsaw Pact cammo, at different distances and different backgrounds and we can see how it shapes up.... perhaps I'll thrown in some "reactionary NATO" stuff just for a laugh too

                    Think that might be some fun?

                    We've got lots of DDR stuff (blumentarn and raindrop), Soviet types of varying sorts, Czech, Bulgarian and probably some other stuff kicking around. Obviously photos can't capture movement, but as static images it might be interesting?

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                      #11
                      Boxed C

                      Unfortunately I have no idea what the boxed C is. However I do have a rainpattern that I can't place in time or context. Maybe Gene can help me with that. Mike C.

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                        #12
                        One more post...

                        Since this is likely going to be the only thread about the Strichtarn on this board, I figured that I might as well go the whole nine yards and share with you my interpretation of the pattern repeats.

                        Where I draw the boundary lines is of course entirely arbitrary. I also have no idea which end of the pattern is 'up' (the way many camo uniforms are made, the fabric is folded over and cut to produce left and right pieces that are inverse images of each other; such that once assembled, one side of the uniform would have the pattern in the 'up' orientation, while the other side 'down' - ostensibly to improve the camo effect. Evidently, DDR uniform manufacturers kept this practice with the adoption of the Strichtarn, probably for established procedural reasons more than anything else, given that one would have to have very odd vision indeed to appreciate any improvement in the camo effect in this particular case). The only meaningful information that can be drawn from my silly exercise here is with regard to the size and basic shape of the patterns.

                        Here is the first pattern (as seen on my '65 and '66 dated trousers):


                        Below is the later pattern (I don't have anything between '67 and '75, so have no idea when this pattern first appeared, but it stayed the same through the end of DDR):


                        Two things are obvious: 1) the older pattern is not only longer, but actually a little narrower than the later pattern; as a result, the angle of the pattern repeat alignment is steeper (in both instances, the adjacent pattern repeat is situated at the mid point of its neighbors, minimizing the impression of repetition. I think this is a standard feature in German camo patterns, beginning with the Splittertarn); 2) the DDR designer(s) didn't simply alter the older pattern to create the later one - these are in fact two totally different animals (if my IQ is 20 points higher, I might be able to detect some mathematical relationship between the two patterns; but the obvious question to ask here is: Were the East Germans really as bored then as I am now?)

                        Since the Poles were supposedly the first to issue the Strichtarn, I occasionally wonder whether there is any link between the early DDR pattern and the short-lived Polish pattern. I don't have any Polish uniform to satisfy my mild curiosity with, nor do I have sufficient curiosity to actively seek out such a uniform.

                        So this is it for me.

                        cheers,
                        Gene T

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                          #13
                          a labour of love/...

                          Originally posted by Gene T
                          Since this is likely going to be the only thread about the Strichtarn on this board, I figured that I might as well go the whole nine yards and share with you my interpretation of the pattern repeats.

                          Where I draw the boundary lines is of course entirely arbitrary. I also have no idea which end of the pattern is 'up' (the way many camo uniforms are made, the fabric is folded over and cut to produce left and right pieces that are inverse images of each other; such that once assembled, one side of the uniform would have the pattern in the 'up' orientation, while the other side 'down' - ostensibly to improve the camo effect. Evidently, DDR uniform manufacturers kept this practice with the adoption of the Strichtarn, probably for established procedural reasons more than anything else, given that one would have to have very odd vision indeed to appreciate any improvement in the camo effect in this particular case). The only meaningful information that can be drawn from my silly exercise here is with regard to the size and basic shape of the patterns.

                          Here is the first pattern (as seen on my '65 and '66 dated trousers):


                          Below is the later pattern (I don't have anything between '67 and '75, so have no idea when this pattern first appeared, but it stayed the same through the end of DDR):


                          Two things are obvious: 1) the older pattern is not only longer, but actually a little narrower than the later pattern; as a result, the angle of the pattern repeat alignment is steeper (in both instances, the adjacent pattern repeat is situated at the mid point of its neighbors, minimizing the impression of repetition. I think this is a standard feature in German camo patterns, beginning with the Splittertarn); 2) the DDR designer(s) didn't simply alter the older pattern to create the later one - these are in fact two totally different animals (if my IQ is 20 points higher, I might be able to detect some mathematical relationship between the two patterns; but the obvious question to ask here is: Were the East Germans really as bored then as I am now?)

                          Since the Poles were supposedly the first to issue the Strichtarn, I occasionally wonder whether there is any link between the early DDR pattern and the short-lived Polish pattern. I don't have any Polish uniform to satisfy my mild curiosity with, nor do I have sufficient curiosity to actively seek out such a uniform.

                          So this is it for me.

                          cheers,
                          Gene T

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                            #14
                            Gene,

                            Excellent analysis of the camo pattern repeats. What about the differences that might occur from the printing drums from factory to factory or from different printing drums used in the same factory? Have you examined several examples that might have come from different VEBs during the same year to determine if they might be different? I would suspect that they might indeed be different. At any rate, there is another project for you.

                            George

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                              #15
                              Gene,

                              I have a Fallschirmjager Raindrop Pattern Camo Jacket dated 1968, and another complete Fallschirmjager Raindrop Pattern Camo Jacket and Pants, dated 1973. These fall within the bracket you had questions about [ 67 to 75 ]

                              I've examined the patterns on both, and while they match each other, I cannot seem to match them up with either of the two patterns you've depicted above.

                              Admittedly, I don't have your knack for bracketing these patterns with an actual diagram in the context you've done. If okay with you, I'm going to PM you with my email address. If you don't mind, and are agreeable and will respond back in kind, I will send you photos of the 68 and 73 pattern, and perhaphs you can determine if they match up with one of the two patterns above, or are an all-together different pattern.
                              Michael D. GALLAGHER

                              M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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