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    #61
    Thanks for the update, Matteo! I assume you had verified that there were no partial remnants of a mummified elastic band inside the back hem? In what quarter was this jacket produced?

    By all means feel free to "mess up" this table as much and as often as you are willing and able to. It was only offered as a suggested starting point for the identification and cataloguing of the many sub-sub-sub types of this widely available yet neglected uniform, not the final word!

    The story would certainly be a nice and tidy one for us if all garment designers and manufacturers involved in making the FDA had gone about their business following a uniform and linear chronological order. Some of us may intuitively expect the East Germans to have actually behaved this way. However, such expectations are probably unrealistic in practice, especially when it comes to periods in which there is evidence of ongoing trials and experimentations that contributed to rapid design turnovers.

    For example, 1967 is looking more and more like an especially "dynamic" year in that regard. Not only did the 1st Pattern Strichtarn come in different color schemes over the course of that year, along with major and minor changes to the design and construction details of the uniform itself, I have now come across some indication (not yet confirmed) that the 2nd Pattern Strichtarn actually made its debut that year as well (rather than in 1968, as I had previously believed)!

    Given that all of the observations recorded in my table were made casually, based on rather tiny samples (often with n=1), there are probably many details that are in error, in addition to all the missing ones, which will need to be corrected and updated as they become known.

    I've added your discovery to my spreadsheet.


    cheers,

    Gene T

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      #62
      Is it possible to add the trousers to the chart?

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        #63
        Definitely no mummies, ghosts etc... The jacket is 100% perfect with no sign of rust on the rings holding the buttons. The hem was certainly never meant to take an elastic. The back panel is made up of two pieces of cloth. Markings are for the third quarter of 1970.
        I agree that it is a vain quest to look for linearity in these matters... but isn't it just fun all the more for the lack of it?

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          #64
          Originally posted by babybabes View Post
          Is it possible to add the trousers to the chart?


          Anything is possible.

          Frankly, this task would be better suited for someone like Bernhard Tröger or Bob Gowen, who probably have all the missing bits I am looking for buried somwhere in their warehouses. However, due to an acute lack of political perception (or perhaps insufficient willingness to waste their valuable time on crazy customer requests), these gentlemen were less than keen to trawl through their inventory for me to help fill in those gaps.

          Below is the trouser section of my table; it is equally full of gaps, although the trousers appeared to have undergone fewer changes than did the jackets. I tried to post the complete table with the updated jacket section attached, but that violated the number of characters per post limit somehow:

          <TABLE style="WIDTH: 395pt; BORDER-COLLAPSE: collapse" border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=0 width=526><COLGROUP><COL style="WIDTH: 48pt" width=64><COL style="WIDTH: 100pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 4864" width=133><COL style="WIDTH: 71pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 3474" width=95><COL style="WIDTH: 176pt; mso-width-source: userset; mso-width-alt: 8557" width=234><TBODY><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>Year</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>Strichtarn Type</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=95>Trouser Type</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234>Characteristics</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 94.5pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=126><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 94.5pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=126 width=64>1965</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>1st Pattern (printed on a large roller, approximately 4:1 length ratio between longest and shortest streaks, tan-based color scheme only) </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>A</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234>Flap-covered slash pockets, exposed buttons on thigh pockets, losenge shaped knee patches and reinforced seat, pointed cuff tabs, 5 button eyelets. </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 60pt" height=80><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 60pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=80 width=64>1966</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>1st Pattern (predominantly tan-based, but some olive)</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>A, B1</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234>B1 redesign: Flapless, buttonless, almost vertical slash pockets. </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 64.5pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=86><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 64.5pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=86 width=64>1967</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>1st Pattern (both tan- and olive-based color schemes); then 2nd Pattern?</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>?</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 92.25pt; mso-height-source: userset" height=123><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 92.25pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=123 width=64>1968</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern (printed on a smaller roller, length ratio under 3:1 between the longest and shortest streaks, olive-based color scheme only) </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>?</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 30pt" height=40><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 30pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=40 width=64>1969</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>B2, C</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234>Feature from B1 changed in B2: cuff tab changed to a formed loop. </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 75pt" height=100><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 75pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=100 width=64>1970</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>C</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234>Major redesign. More angled, buttoned slash pockets; fewer (3?) cuff button eyelets; squared knee patch; seat reinforcement omitted </TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1971</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>C</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1972</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>?</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1973</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>C</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1974</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>?</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1975</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>?</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1976</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>?</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1977</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>C</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1978</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>?</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1979</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>?</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1980</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>?</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1981</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>?</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 45pt" height=60><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 45pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=60 width=64>1982</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>D</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234>Major redesign. Covered thigh pocket buttons; no reinforcement patches; twin sewn-on cuff buttons</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1983</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>D</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1984</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>D</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1985</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>?</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1986</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>?</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1987</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>?</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1988</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>E</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234>New Design (associated with UTV)</TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1989</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>D</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR><TR style="HEIGHT: 15pt" height=20><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white 0.5pt solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 48pt; HEIGHT: 15pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 height=20 width=64>1990</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 100pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl68 width=133>2nd Pattern </TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 71pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl69 width=95>D</TD><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: white 0.5pt solid; BORDER-LEFT: white; BACKGROUND-COLOR: transparent; WIDTH: 176pt; BORDER-TOP: white; BORDER-RIGHT: white 0.5pt solid" class=xl67 width=234></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

          Gene T<O</O
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            #65
            wow, thank you so much. Great work.

            Great if someone one day in the future can organize all these data in one website (in english) with pixs and so on. A time line with all the variants of the combat uniform from 1949 to 1990. I have seen a website in german with a time-line about the blumentarn like this.

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              #66
              going back to when it was stated that either strichtarn works well, whilst standing still.....











              or in advance, aka, moving.....




              ... my conclusion, and this is based on being there in person, but, without the uniform. strichtarn and its predecesor both work well in the dark forest of eastern germany, but if they went in full in advance and made a RED European Union, so the speak, as soon as they would reach the lowlands with its lush green fields and bushes, they would be sitting ducks.

              and , yes, if you were wondering the big strong on, running, with one hand holding his wounded comrad on his broad back, in his other hand, his tool to defend the people, spraying hot lead.... i mean love.....


              thats me

              ...i think its time for some sleep....


              cheers..

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                #67
                Genosse,
                Remember NVA FDA was in a ( purely ) defensive camouflage, the Military-industrial Complex's Wood Land pattern was an aggressive offensive camouflage.....

                If you improve your personal Camouflage to suit the terrain you will find Raindrop serves well, in ambush a suitable varied pattern is good when moving just plain green is better.

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                  #68
                  Another trip to Alistair's , another 1966 Strichtarn suit...


                  The material is much much softer than any other old (1970s) Strichtarn I have come across. It is brand new. I suspect it lacks the impregnation. It is three piece: jacket, trousers and helmet cover. The differences with the other 1966 I got are remarkable. I shall try and list the main characteristics:
                  1. buttons are sewn instead of having rings;
                  2. no buttonholes in the helmet cover and no corresponding buttons on the underside of the collar;
                  3. just two side pockets on the trousers;
                  4. sizing is much closer to the normal later one, i.e. I can actually wear this one whereas the other M48 dated '66 was parachute size ...
                  5. patches at knees and elbows are romboid;
                  6. seat patch.
                  7. pointed tabs at cuffs and hems;
                  8. 4 eyelets adjustments at same;
                  9. there is an internal pocket accessible through the fly of the jacket but it is not pistol shaped and fully sewn on rather than hanging.
                  10. big and small foliage loop on the arms above the pockets.
                  11. The base colour is much greener than the sandy coloured one I got years ago.

                  Oh well... isn't it fun?

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                    #69
                    Based on the info in this thread, I attempted to make a repeating strichtarn pattern... how does it look?


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                      #70
                      Your pattern looks quite accurate, Walter You can now print your own repro Strichtarn


                      Matteo: I somehow missed your July post, but your observations are spot on. I too had bought a Q4 66 dated set not very long ago and noticed exactly the same thing.

                      Recently, "uwe.und.elke" sold a full set of "III 66" dated FDA that exhibited all of the type "A" characteristics as outlined in our table. We can therefore state with some confidence that the "A" to "B1" design switch occurred in Q4 of 1966 (rather than in 1967)!

                      The only real gap left in my jacket table at the moment is the period between 1977 and 1979, when the "E" to "G" transition took place. I have some evidence that suggests the "F" variant was made for only about a year or so, making it quite scarce, but I haven't come across enough examples from this three year period to nail down the definitive time line.

                      "E" and "G" are both very common, and "F" can be easily mistaken for "E"; most people would never bother to look at the date stamp in these jackets; Bernhard Troeger simply calls them "'70s type" and "'80s type", with stock photo illustrations and generic descriptions, so filling this particular gap is going to require field work (and with so little demand for these on the surplus market nowadays, the field is consistently and frustratingly meager in my neck of the woods; which translates to a lot of fruitless trips to local stores).

                      I wish we had something like this Alistair's place around here!


                      Gene T

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                        #71
                        As I had never much of an interest over NVA uniforms, I bought a suit not paying attention to detail. Turns out the jacket is pattern '74 and the tousers '82. Is it much incorrect to wear them as a suit, or would it be alright?

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                          #72
                          Originally posted by iannima View Post
                          I was going through my collection in order to ready it for the coming Spring offensive ... (purely defensive of course )... and can add one small detail: an L=1973 jacket that shows the sign of your type E, which in your table was dated 1974. Perhaps we can bring the changes a year earlier... as I have suggested below in yellow ...

                          <table style="width: 415pt; border-collapse: collapse;" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="553"><colgroup><col style="width: 48pt;" width="64"><col style="width: 101pt;" width="135"><col style="width: 67pt;" width="89"><col style="width: 199pt;" width="265"></colgroup><tbody><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border: 0.5pt solid white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">Year</td><td style="border-width: 0.5pt 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: solid solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">Strichtarn Type</td><td style="border-width: 0.5pt 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: solid solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">Jacket Type</td><td style="border-width: 0.5pt 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: solid solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">Characteristics</td></tr><tr style="height: 93.75pt;" height="125"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 93.75pt;" class="xl66" height="125" width="64">1965</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">1st Pattern (printed on a large roller, approximately 4:1 length ratio between longest and shortest streaks) </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">A</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">Made like contemporary Flächentarn jackets: hood provision, waist cinch, foliage loops on arms and back, hem cinch, single button breast pockets, fully covered button fly.</td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1966</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">1st Pattern</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">A</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 168.75pt;" height="225"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 168.75pt;" class="xl66" height="225" width="64">1967</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">1st Pattern (tan thru Q2, then olive)</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">B1, B2</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">Major redesign. Features from "A" removed: waist cinch, hem cinch, hood provision. Features added: chest foliage loops, twin button chest pockets, sewn-in elastic back hem, lumbar darts, exposed top fly button, redesigned wrist tabs (from pointed to slanted). Differences between B1 and B2: base color changed from tan to olive, lining material of chest pockets changed from thin fabric to camo cloth, divider is sewn through top layer.</td></tr><tr style="height: 92.25pt;" height="123"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 92.25pt;" class="xl66" height="123" width="64">1968</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern (printed on a smaller roller, length ratio under 3:1 between the longest and shortest streaks) </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">C</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">Minor redesign (other than camo pattern). Features from "B" removed: top foliage loops on upper arms, back foliage loops, lumbar darts. Cuff tabs changed to a formed loop.</td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1969</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">C</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 45pt;" height="60"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 45pt;" class="xl66" height="60" width="64">1970</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">D</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">Minor redesign. Features differing from "C": two-piece back, elasticated full hem, suspended pistol pocket.</td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1971</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">?</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1972</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">?</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1973</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">E
                          </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">Minor redesign. Features from "D" redesigned: top fly button slot slanted, elastic band in the hem omitted.</td></tr><tr style="height: 45pt;" height="60"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 45pt;" class="xl66" height="60" width="64">1974</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">E</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1975</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">E</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1976</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">?</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 60pt;" height="80"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 60pt;" class="xl66" height="80" width="64">1977</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">F</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">Minor redesign. Features from "E" redesigned: removal of chest loops, elbow patches omitted, cuff button holes reduced to 3.</td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1978</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">?</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1979</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">?</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1980</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">?</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1981</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">?</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1982</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">?</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1983</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">?</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 45pt;" height="60"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 45pt;" class="xl66" height="60" width="64">1984</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">G</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">Major redesign. Arm pocket buttons covered, waist cinch added, lower pockets added. Made through 1990.</td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1985</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">?</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1986</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">?</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1987</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">?</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1988</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">H</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">New design. UTV.</td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1989</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">H</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr><tr style="height: 15pt;" height="20"><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt; border-style: none solid solid; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 48pt; height: 15pt;" class="xl66" height="20" width="64">1990</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 101pt;" class="xl66" width="135">2nd Pattern </td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 67pt;" class="xl66" width="89">G</td><td style="border-width: medium 0.5pt 0.5pt medium; border-style: none solid solid none; border-color: white; background-color: transparent; width: 199pt;" class="xl66" width="265">
                          </td></tr></tbody></table>

                          I tried to cover the models that I have home : 1973 (jacket is from 1974), 1977, 1984 and UTV :







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                            #73
                            I just got a set of N (1989) dated FDA with correct NVA markings (including the size stampings, g60, from the cutting room) and provision for shoulder rank (not UTV).

                            The odd bit is that the whole set, jacket and pants, uses
                            buttons similar to a Levi's Jean jacket, none are sewn. The buttons are rubber/plastic, but are all secured with posts. I think I have seen these on VM uniforms before. This is the first time I have seen "No Sew" buttons on a FDA set.

                            Have you seen these before? I will take a few pictures when I get home

                            Timo

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                              #74
                              Originally posted by TimoJ View Post
                              The odd bit is that the whole set, jacket and pants, uses
                              buttons similar to a Levi's Jean jacket, none are sewn. The buttons are rubber/plastic, but are all secured with posts. Timo
                              Bernhard says they are an MdI characteristic:
                              http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Felddienst...ht_1650wt_1308

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                                #75
                                Originally posted by iannima View Post
                                Bernhard says they are an MdI characteristic:
                                http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Felddienst...ht_1650wt_1308
                                Thanks, I am thinking this set is MdI, first one I have owned, after looking at the stampings I made out the MdI stamp, or at least what was left of them.

                                So now I am forced to figure out if I want to develop a seriously good Volkspolizei display, with a really big uniform. Guess I will need to become very Polizei-smart in short order and find the subdued shoulders and hat for this uniform.

                                I am impressed by how much finer the material is, compared to an NVA FDA.

                                Timo

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