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    The ultimate DDR Computer Memorabilia??

    Hi there, does anyone have any DDR computers in their stash???...DDR computers you ask..??. Yes, there were such things... I remember starting to use a computer in my last year at school in 1987. When doing the Abitur in year 12 we got some KC85-1, which I think sported a staggering 8kB of memory.. when I then joined the Army in August 1987 I continued working with KC85-1 and then in second year in the Army we got some KC85-2, which I think had 32kB of memory...in the Army, we mostly used them to write BASIC programming language programs to simulate Artillery Shooting and probabilities of destroying a target with certain types of fire...Dirk (AR-11), I am sure you must have used them as well??? Then later on (and I think that was the last DDR Computer, they brought out a KC87...my father actually bought one in 1989...but that has long since gone in the bin..

    The best DDR youth radio station was DT64 (we never really listened to anything else) and they broadcast a programme via Radio every day (it might not have been every day, but these were certainly regular broadcasts) at 4pm, where they transmitted a new BASIC software program, and we were all ready with our Stern radio sets to tape those programs...

    SO, I am not looking to buy one of those wonderful computers and I am not selling any, but I would be interested to know if any of you have got one...and would that not make the ultimate DDR Techi memorabilia... Does anyone know the company that made them?? I think they were called VEB Robotron...

    Cheers, Torsten.

    PS: After having written the above piece I did a little google search...no idea, why I did not do that before and there is loads of stuff on these computers on the internet...there are even clubs you can join and museums..unbelievable.. and have a look at this site: http://benser.net/computer.htm
    Last edited by torstenbel; 03-30-2005, 06:37 PM.

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    Torsten,

    Very interesting stuff. The KC87 looks very much like something my little brother (Computer Wizard) was playing with in 1982. Thanks for bringing this interesting and little known aspect of the DDR and NVA up on the Forum.
    Michael D. GALLAGHER

    M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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      thank you...its just that there was of course so much more to life in the DDR apart from the armed forces and the police and I do not know, but I thought that maybe people in here know very little, if anything, about these non-military aspects of the DDR and that is why I thought I might from time to time put little nuggets like that up ... as and when I think of something mildly interesting... but don't worry...that does not happen too often with me... Cheers, Torsten.

      Originally posted by Michael D. Gallagher
      Torsten,

      Very interesting stuff. The KC87 looks very much like something my little brother (Computer Wizard) was playing with in 1982. Thanks for bringing this interesting and little known aspect of the DDR and NVA up on the Forum.

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        #4
        Greetings Torsten,

        Very interesting, thanks for the post.

        Chuck

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          For all of you who computers are a relatively new thing that you now use to chase militaria on ebay, I thought you might like to see some western comparison to this.

          The KC85 is identical in specification from what I can see with our Atari 400/800 and the Apple II series and similar (here in the UK we had the Sinclair series which was even more similar but I am trying to make comparisons for our US friends too), all of which we used in the early 80's just as Torsten said he did in the DDR.

          Yes, those were the days when writing BASIC programs was the entertainment derived from computers, not complex video games or spending your money on Ebay ;-)

          By 1987 with the KC87 it seems things were getting a little left behind I will say. Commodore 64 was the dominant home computer by then.

          Some of the other computers on that page look interesting too!

          The thing you have to remember is that ALL computer technology had an embargo on it when it came to exporting to the East. That even included home computers!

          I guess the Western computer development was largely driven by a desire to exploit the consumer market for such toys more than business, so maybe thats why it never had the same take off as here.

          For me as a lifetime computer nerd, this is a very interesting thing for Torsten to have brought up!

          Andy

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            I would say by 87 there was a huge "Gap". I was now using both an Apple 2C and an Apple 2GS. The US Military was by this time standardized, and using IBM CPUs and DOS Format based programming.
            Michael D. GALLAGHER

            M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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              Oh certainly by 87 there was a large gap - you are talking 16bit CPU (eg Motorola 68000)based machines and all sorts... and then as you say the first IBM XT's with MSDOS - not that I would call that in itself a particularly major step forward at that point in time - not until later when they were being cloned and CPU development "arms race" took place was it truly to become the dominant thing we all know and love/hate today...

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                I also recall that sometime in 1989 there were some massive headlines in Neues Deutschland about the DDR having produced a 1Mb chip... which was being heralded as a major breakthrough...with Honecker visting the factory, etc. but pretty much everyone just smiled, as we all knew that we were way behind the West... Cheers, Torsten (ebay id german.militaria).

                Originally posted by Kozlov
                Oh certainly by 87 there was a large gap - you are talking 16bit CPU (eg Motorola 68000)based machines and all sorts... and then as you say the first IBM XT's with MSDOS - not that I would call that in itself a particularly major step forward at that point in time - not until later when they were being cloned and CPU development "arms race" took place was it truly to become the dominant thing we all know and love/hate today...
                Last edited by torstenbel; 03-31-2005, 09:53 AM.

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                  Originally posted by torstenbel
                  we all knew that we were way behind the West...
                  Actually technically we were all behind the East... none of this stuff was actually coming out of the Western Hemisphere at all...

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                    Don't tell that to Steve WOZNIAK.
                    Michael D. GALLAGHER

                    M60-A2 Tank Commander Cold War proverb: “You can accomplish more with a kind word and a ‘Shillelagh’ than you can with just a kind word.”

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                      Red vs. Blue Computers...

                      Originally posted by Kozlov
                      Actually technically we were all behind the East... none of this stuff was actually coming out of the Western Hemisphere at all...
                      Don't take this wrong, but during my Cold Warrior years we had to write slow down code to simulate red (CCCP/DDR) weapon system computers on blue (CANUKUS/NATO) computers! But then the Cold War ended, and Clinton closed my base - ah the good old days! April fools? I wish!<br><center>OldFlagsWanted.com</center><center><img src=http://members.tripod.com/~oldflagswanted/ddrflgm1.gif></center>
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