A thread about the Kampfgruppen

[delta576]

....Year 1985 - KdA in the district COTTBUS:



source: www.bundesarchiv.de

delta576

[delta576]

....Year 1986 - KdA in the district DRESSDEN:



...comment 1, comment 2


....Year 1988 - KdA in the district ERFURT:




....Year 1988 - KdA in the district SUHL:



...comment 1


....Year 1988 - KdA in the district POTSDAM:




....Year 1989 - KdA in the district ROSTOCK:




source: www.bundesarchiv.de

delta576

[oldflagswanted]

KG info & flag numbering ???

Hello delta576:
Thanks for posting more KG info. Trying to figure
out what it means about unit numbers on flags?
OFW
(below) Does this chart mean KG unit numbers are
tied to district location, and thus why they repeat?

[delta576]

Video KdA......2:00 min

delta576

[delta576]

....Year 1983 - KdA in the district LEIPZIG:



source: www.bundesarchiv.de

delta576

[Thälmannpionier]

Hello Andreas:
Thanks for posting more nice KG wreath flag examples. ++
Unit Number 153. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft Genthin (Dup 77*)
Unit Number 209. Kampfgruppen-Zug Genthin (Dup list number 26*)
Unit Number (None) Kampfgruppen-Zug Genthin, with streamers
Unit Number 62. Kampfgruppen-Zug Genthin (maybe list 15?)
(*) Interesting to note repeated unit number use, still wonder why ???
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KG flag count at 120, plus some others...
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03/19/14 List of Known Wreath KG unit flags
(Large wreath, lettering in upper left corner)
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........... OLDFLAGSWANTED ..........

next one for the list this one came with some nice streamers..

[oldflagswanted]

List update

next one for the list this one came with some nice streamers..

Hello Andreas:
Again thanks for posting another fine KG wreath flag example,
Unit Number 205. Kampfgruppen-Zug Brandenburg with 5 streamers
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KG flag count at 121, plus some others...
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03/28/14 List of Known Wreath KG unit flags
(Large wreath, lettering in upper left corner)
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1. #5. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft Cottbus, with document (source OFW)
2. #145. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft Quedlindburg (*, eBay#1167945870)
3. #262. Kampfgruppen-Zug Strausberg (*Oliver book)
4. #34. Kampfgruppen-Zug (mot.) Strausberg (*Oliver Book)
5. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Forst (*= photo verified)
6. #?8. Kampfgruppen-Zug Teterow (*)
7. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Neuruppen (*)
8. #? Kampfgruppen-Bataillonshaft ?Niberode (*Oliver Book, pg 93) <-- ???
9. #64. Kampfgruppen-Zug Freital (*)
10. #206. Kampfgruppen-Zug Bautzen (*, & formerly DHH)
11. #1. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Berlin (*1983-KG books),
12. #107. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden (source DHH)
13. #155. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden (source DHH)
14. #203. Kampfgruppen-Zug Bautzen (source DHH)
15. #62. Kampfgruppen-Zug,?location? (*eBay #6132614203 Nov04)
15b. #62. Kampfgruppen-Zug Dresden, red Kurt Kuhles strmr+top, *Johan-D
16. #? Kampfgruppen-? ?location? (was on W-A Forum e-stand) <--- ???
17. #154 Kampfgruppen-Hundrertschaft Bautzen (*online auction)
..... (with Kurt Pchalek red streamer & 7Oct1975 Green streamer)
18. #26. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Rathenow, (*WA-Forum)
..... (with Friedrich Engels 7 Oct 78 red streamer, & 7 Oct 74 Green).
19. #22. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Wolgast, (*WA-Forum)
..... (with 66/68,80/82/85 red streamer, & 1 Mai. 1974 Green).
20. #50. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Berlin-Mitte, (*WAF+DF)
21. #100. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Berlin-Mitte, (*WAF+DF)
22. #12. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Berlin -Treptow, (*WA-Forum)
23. #238. Kampfgruppen-Zug Zossen, (*WA-Forum)
24. #IV. Kampfgruppen-Battalion (mot.) Zossen, (*WA-Forum)
.....(with 7. Oktober 1975 green streamer)
25. #220. Kampfgruppen-Zug Strasburg, (*WA-Forum)
26. #209. Kampfgruppen-Zug Neubrandenburg, (*Gz-Forum)
..... (with 07.10.1983 red streamer)
27. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hunderschaft Neubrandenburg, (*Gz-Forum)
..... (with 07.10.1973 red streamer)
28. #219. Kampfgruppen-Zug Strasburg, (*Gz-Forum)
29. #223. Kampfgruppen-Zug Rostock, (*Gz-Forum)
30. #192. Kampfgruppen-Batterie (Flak) Rostock, (*WA-Forum)
31. (No#?) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Zittau, document only (")
32. #225. Kampfgruppen-Zug Reichenbach, (*GJ via eBay, now Bochum Museum)
33. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hunderschaft Reichenbach, (*WAF " )
34. #223 Kampfgruppen-Zug Reichenbach, (*eBay 299 Euros, OFW)
35. #143. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Freiberg, (*source GJ)
..... (with 7.Okt1973 green, 978 BE red, BE66/68 red, Robert
..... Siewert 1.Mai 1985 red streamer), 2/2/12 on eBay.de @ ~$678 USD
36. #151. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Bernau, (*CZ Auction 450 Euros)
37. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Forst (*& doc., 800 Euros)
38. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Cotbus (* 650 Euros)
39. II. Kampfgruppen-Battaillon (mot) Nordhausen, 7.Okt74 green, *1KE
40. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Herzberg, 01.05.80 red+top,(*1000 Euros)
..... Source list #39/40 SG Auction Italy, as cited on WAF.
41. #156. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Rostock, ebay #320325417163*
42. #421. Kampfgruppen-Zug Schwerin, "170287455472*, 1Mai74 green
..... streamer and Walter Griesbach Honor named 7Oct77 red streamer.
43. #4. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Berlin-Prenzlauerberg+doc*J-D
44. #203. Kampfgruppen-Zug Berlin-Prenzlauerberg, Hans Janocha red*"
45. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Berlin-Prenzlauerberg*"
46. #108. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Berlin-Prenzlauerberg, *Johan-D
47. #202. Kampfgruppen-Zug Berlin-Prenzlauerberg, *Johan-Dallasfan
48. #274. Kampfgruppen-Zug Wolgast, BE 85/87, Green 1Mai74, *"(J-D)
49. #205. Kampfgruppen-Zug Calau, Red-BE, Green 1Mai75, *Johan-D
50. #420. Kampfgruppen-Zug Gustrow, heavy cotton as all listed above.
51. #229. Kampfgruppen-Zug Oranienburg, *J-D
52. #160. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Oranienburg, *J-D
53. #II. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Oranienburg, *J-D
54. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Perleberg, BE-66/70/82, Bruno Schramm,
..... & red 1Mai72 streamer + red cords, ebay 193 Euros, *GJ
55. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Hagenow, BE-72/76/78/80/82 + cords, "
56. #238. Kampfgruppen-Zug Weisswasser, sold for 170 Euros, *GJ.
57. #9. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Rostock, 168 Euros, *GJ.
58. #119. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Reichenbach, *eBay 220354748711
..... with pole top and trooping harness. 369 Euros min start bid. Now *DHH
59. #169. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Rugen, *eBay 300304111842
..... with top, 7.Okt74 and other streamers, and 5 documents... *GJ
59a Kampfgruppenfahne an den 254. Kampfgruppenzug, 1. Mai 1976
59b Kampfgruppenfahne an den 276. Kampfgruppenzug, 07.10.1989
59c Kampfgruppenzug wird der Ehrenname "Kurt Bürger", unit #276
59d Kampfgruppenfahne an den 15. Kampfgruppenzug
59e Kampfgruppenfahne an die 169. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft
60. #21. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Karl-Marx-Stadt, *J-D
60b KDADDDP title flag in unit # large wreath pole slip pattern, *J-D
61. #270. Kampfgruppen-Zug Niesky, old catalog sale entry, *J-D
62. #412. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Deutsche Reichbann Fahr-
..... komplex Mukran, old catalog sale entry, *J-D, IMO best so far!
63. #280. Kampfgruppen-Zug Riesa, *WAF member GD
64. #9. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Rostock, "
65. #264. Kampfgruppen-Zug Dresden, "
66. #156. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Neubrandenburg, Horst Jonas, "
67. #275. Kampfgruppen-Zug Wolgast, Fahnenbänder: "Karl Kießling
dated 1. Mai 1986" (red) u. "7. Okt. 1974" (green), Berlin Auctionhaus
68. #201. Kampfgruppen-Zug Brandenburg, *GJ, eBay #360241380385
69. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Possneck, *GJ, on pole, no top.
70. #19. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.)Dresden, red Otto Galle strmr,
..... plus 01.05.77 and 01.05.79 KG Award & Bestenheit strmrs, *Johan-D
71. #113. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden, 1Mai75 document, **"
72. #214. Kampfgruppen-Zug Dresden, 1Mai74 document, **Johan-D
73. #215. Kampfgruppen-Zug Dresden, 1Mai74 document, **Johan-D
74. #171. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden. 1Mai84 doc, **Johan-D
75. #175. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden, 1Mai85 Erwin Kramer
..... unit honor title award document, (**=no flag photo), **Johan-D.
75p. #175. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Dresden, sold 150 euros, *JM
76. #67. Kampfgruppen-Zug Zwickau, unsold on eBay, *JM
77. #153. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Delitzsch, numbers gone, *JM p369
78. #37. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Schwarzenberg, $340, top +3
..... red & 1 green streamer: BH78/78/8_, 78 Paul Gunther, 82/85/73, 74 *JM
79. #214. Kampfgruppen-Zug Haldensleben, top+cord & green streamer 75, *JM
80. #157. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Nauen, *JM, eBay.de 450 Euros,
81. #210. Kampfgruppen-Zug Delitzsch, (added numbers?), 101 Euros, *JM
82. #135. Kampfgruppen-Zug Delitzsch, (added numbers?), *JM
83. #288. Kampfgruppen-Zug Sebnitz, & red streamer Walter Zirnstein
..... dated 7 Okt.1974, (sold on eBay.de for 59 euros) *Johan-D,
84. #50. Kampfgruppen Hundertschaft (mot.) Rostock, 202 Euros, *JM
85. #410. Kampfgruppen Hundertschaft Greifswald, 190 Euros, *JM
86. #3. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Wismar, *JM
87. #151. (glued) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Calau, with 4 streamers
..... 1. Mai 1976 green, "Verdienstmedaille der KG in silber" 7.10.1988,
..... named "Heinz Rößiger" 1. Oktober 1987, & "Beste Einheit", *JM
88. #236. (glued) Kampfgruppen-Zug Weisswasser, 120x170cm, *JM
89. #152. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Brandenburg, ~$206.53 *JM
90. #1. Kampfgruppen-Zug Greifswald, Ehrenname "Werner Oestreich",
..... with "Verdienstmedaille der KG in Silber 1988" , material Baumwolle,
..... sold on Ebay.de 152 Euros/$215.33, *JM
91. #225. Kampfgruppen-Zug Rostock, ~$205.31 eBay.de, *JM
92. #154. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Rostock, ~$204.95 eBay.de, *JM
93. #110. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Döbeln, ~$73.59 eBay.de, *JM
94. #217. Kampfgruppen-Zug Bad Doberan, ~$143.77 eBay.de, *JM
95 (No#) Kampfgruppen-Batterie (Flak), Bitterfeld, Bill Sachse, *JM via Oliver.
96. #121. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Schwarzenberg, *JM, with cord & top,
..... BESTE EINHEIT 1976, Willy Krause 7. Okt78, green 1. Mai74 streamers.
97. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Karl-Marx-Stadt, *DHH on WAF
98. #170. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Leipzig, *DHH, not #16.
99. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Pirna, *JM, unsold on eBay.de
100. (No#) Kampfgruppen- Hundertschaft Zschopau, with Beste Einheit
..... 1976/1982, 7.Nov.1977/7.Okt.1973, Albin Schubert streamer+top, *JM.
101. #282. Kampfgruppen-Zug Sebnitz, *Johan=DF
102. (No#?) Kampfgruppen-Zug Seelow, Johan=DF, DDR Museum Bochum.
103. #3. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Burg, *bloodfan, t=555289
104. #150. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Burg, *bf with streamers, ".
105. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Salzwedel, *JM, sold for $182.00 USD
106. #135. Kampfgruppen-Zug Delitzsch, *JM & DF post #392 correction
107. #16. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Löbau, *OFW, HH #57-7988
108. #70. Kampfgruppen-Zug Zittau. *OFW, HH #57-7989, sold 300 E
109. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Brandenburg, *DF
110. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Cottbus, *JM ($270 USD eBay)
111. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot.) Schwarzenberg, with
...... 27 Jan 1973 green streamer, red cords & pole top, *JM ($311.55)
112. #231. Kampfgruppen-Zug Schwarzenberg, with 1 Mai 1976 green
...... streamer, Beste Ein Heit 76,78,80,82, Max Niedermeyer streamer,
...... red cords & top, *JM ($490)
113. #219. Kampfgruppen-Zug Nauen, 7 Okt 1975 green streamer,
...... sold in Jul 2012 to Finland for 401 Euros, *Johan-D. (repeat of #28#?)
114. #175.Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft Stendal, ~200€ , *Johan/Forseti
115. #66 Kampfgruppen-Zug Stendal, eBay.de 193 €, *Johan/OFW
116. #239. Kampfgruppen-Zug Zschopau, 3 streamers+, *Forseti/Johan
117. #227. Kampfgruppen-Zug Rostock, *Johan (262,50 EURO eBay de)
118. #153. Kampfgruppen-Hundertshaft Genthin (Duplicate list 77) *TP.
119. #209. Kampfgruppen-Zug Genthin (Dup list 26 unit number use) *TP.
120. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Zug Genthin *TP, with green & red streamers.
121. #205. Kampfgruppen-Zug Brandenburg, with 5 streamers, *TP
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O1. Wanderfahne Der Bezirksleitung Der SED Potsdam, Bester Kreis,
..... *JM, eBay.de 450 Euros (other: like above but title on back)
O2. Beste Hundertschaft-des Kreises Eisenach-(around old center) with in
..... corner "Kampfbanner der Kampfgruppen des Kreises Eisenach gestiftet
..... vom VEB, Fahrzeugelektrik Ruhla im Jahre 1963", WMuseum, *JM
O3. Best KG VEB Kranbau Eberswalde, around old center, post 462, *GD
O4. 25 year best KG, KL SED VEB Mansfeld Kombinat Wilhelm Pieck, *DF
O5. Best Hundertschaft SED KL-Mansfeld Betriebe Eisleben, eBay $518,*JM
..... early KG logo center + detailed factory sihouette & SED logo reverse.
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Question: 51-53 same unit growing larger, or separate at same time?
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***(KG Honor flag pattern, with pole loops and silken field material)***
H1. #4. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (mot) Max Fritch, +doc, *J-D
..... small wreath, above and below large arc lettering.
H2. Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot) Erich Weinert, Johan-Dallasfan, WAF
..... large wreath, above and below large arc lettering.
H3. #1.HS. Kirschau (corner square 2 sides), loops, no wreath, cotton*DHH
H4. (No#) Walter Ulbricht - Babelsberg, loops, no w", arc lettered, *DHH
H5. (No#) Kampfgruppen-Bataillon (mot.) Bruno Kuhn, loops, *J-D,
..... small wreath, above and below large arc lettering. (H6 also *J-D)
H6. #1 Selbstandiger Zug Bahnbetriebswerk Schwerin, loops, no wreath
H7. VEB Kreidewerke Rugen Klementelvitz (Rugen)
H8. Hundertschaft MTS-Bereich Merzdorf, *GD
H9. #V. Kampfgruppen-Hundertschaft (August Levin Neubrandenburg), no
..... wreath, cotton 87x150cm, sold eBay.de 168.89 EURO/$238.91 *JM
H10. #1. Kampfgruppenbataillon Berlin (Robert Uhrig), no wreath or loops, 120
..... x170, eBay.de 226.87 Euros, $327.49, *JM (maybe before #11 or fake?),
..... 199 Euros unsold (10/02/11), *JM
H11. #III/2 Hundertschaft Kreis Mitte, no wreath, *paulj (post #562)
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Interesting to note repeat 219, 223 unit numbers, wonder why ???
Same question for repeat 238 unit numbers, above list #23 & #56.
Also it would be interesting to find a list of KG unit Honor names.
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Per 1998 KG unit Map 2021 possible total; 55 Bn, 526 HS, 1440 Zug.
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V-1. Volkspolizei-Kreisamt Herzberg, complete on original pole, *OFW
V-2. Volkspolizei-Kreisamt Jessen, with documents, top+green-s,*GJ
V-3. Volkspolizei-Kreisamt Weiss Wasser, +green streamer & cords,
V-4. Volkspolizei-Kreisamt Hoyerswerda, + ", 17KE Auction 2009. *DF-J
V-5. Deutsche Volkspolizei Betriedsschutz-Amt Bohlen, *FS154
V-6. Volkspolizei-Kreisamt Lubben, complete on original pole, *DHH
V-7. Volkspolizei-Kreisamt Finsterwalde, on pole, *OFW, HHA 48-9147
V-8. #10. Bereitschaft (10th Squad), on pole, *OFW, HHA 47-2122
V-9. Präsidium der Volkspolizei Berlin, *DF, from t=554595 post #14
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ZV-1. #2. Abteilung für Spezialbehandlung Bezirk Schwerin, *OFW
ZV-2. #1. Abteilung für Medizinische Hilfe Bezirk Magdeburg, *OFW
ZV-3. #2. RBI (Rettungs- Bergungs- und Instandsetzungs) ABTEILUNG
....... VEB VOLKSWERFT STRALSUND BEZIRK ROSTOCK, *OFW
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........... OLDFLAGSWANTED ..........

[GREENEDUDLEY]

Does anybody know who might have this flag or where it might be?

61. #270. Kampfgruppen-Zug Niesky, old catalog sale entry

[GREENEDUDLEY]

Kampfgruppenfahne Kampfgruppenzug Salzwedel

Recently sold for $182.00

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Does anybody have any information what streamers this unit had?

[GREENEDUDLEY]

I recently purchased this flag. It came with a large number of streamer, probably enough for 5 different KdA Unit flags and trying to figure out which ones belong to it.

[oldflagswanted]

KdA unit awards &amp; honor names ???

Does anybody know who might have this flag or where it might be?
61. #270. Kampfgruppen-Zug Niesky, ...
...[and]...
Kampfgruppenfahne Kampfgruppenzug Salzwedel
...Does anybody have any information what streamers this unit had?
...[and]...
I recently purchased this flag [#66 Kampfgruppen-Zug Stendal]. It
came with a large number of streamer, probably enough for 5 different
KdA Unit flags and trying to figure out which ones belong to it.

Hello GD:
It would indeed be nice to find some kind of listing of all (*)
the KdA unit flag awarded streamers and honor names. But
I've not seen anything like that so far, i.e., something like the
US Army DA-672-1 "Unit Citation & Campaign Credit Register"(**).
OFW
(*)= As of 1998 ~2021 possible KdA units; 55 Bn, 526 HS, 1440 Zug.
(**) = DA PAM 672-1 Unit Citation and Campaign Participation Credit...
"This pamphlet is published to assist commanders and personnel officers
in determining or establishing the eligibility of individual members for
campaign participation credit, assault landing credit, unit distinguished
Unit Citation, Meritorious Unit Core citation emblems, and occupation duty
credit for World War II and for the Korean War."
Digitized by AHEC (U.S. Army Heritage Collections)
http://www.carlisle.army.mil/ahec/
Creative Commons license: Public Domain Mark 1.0

[TimoJ]

If you can find the album for the unit, you may see the correct streamers.
I will look through some of my books. It is a long shot, but who knows.

Also newspaper articles from DDR press, would be a possible source of intel.


Timo

[Dallasfan]

Hi

All the information about the Ehrennamen and the streamers , can be found in the special paper for the Kampfgruppen , it's called ''Der Kämpfer'' I know someone who has them all , but he will not sell them at this time .



Regards , Johan

[GREENEDUDLEY]

Thank you for the information Johan. It gives me a document source to start looking for.

Hi

All the information about the Ehrennamen and the streamers , can be found in the special paper for the Kampfgruppen , it's called ''Der Kämpfer'' I know someone who has them all , but he will not sell them at this time .



Regards , Johan

[Dallasfan]

Hi Dudley

There are some for sale on Ebay , including this one .
Until now , I did not remember the name of this paper .

regards , Johan