Post your grenzschild pictures

[Soviet]

Here's mine. It comes from Berlin. Is it possible these were hang out along the wall and not on a concrete post? There is still ciment behind it and it does not have the hole to screw them.

It could be a replica, but I don't think it is.

[Soviet]

Reverse

[Soviet]

Close up

[Bone Collector]

Whats the purpose of the circular "channel" around the top threaded hole shown in the first pics on this thread?

And why do some not have it?

Is the one on the ebay link original do you think? No channel but the paint is there... fake paint? No bids on it at 80E, suggests others think its duff.

I think the channel is there because of the staatswaffen on the obverse.
The one on ebay looks original but don't take my word for it.
Really, don't! I have never even held a real one.

[Mike G.]

Early on, in this thread I posted a side-by-side comparison of a real Schild (taken personally from a concrete post) and a replica. The deminsions were posted for the real one.

So it should be easy to ascertain which are genuine and which are replicas.

Personally, I don't see anything wrong with getting a replica to "Spice" up a collecting tank. The real ones are going to be darn hard to find.

[olivyaya]

Here is an interesting auction... provided the item is authentic !!
http://cgi.ebay.de/ORIGINAL-DDR-GREN...QQcmdZViewItem

[Bone Collector]

Here is an interesting auction... provided the item is authentic !!
http://cgi.ebay.de/ORIGINAL-DDR-GREN...QQcmdZViewItem

Outstanding! Awesome! Etc.

That thing would look great in my shelf.

[Mike G.]

I have major reservations about this auction, despite what the Seller is saying. Nice story and nice pictures to support the story.

The problem is, the piece that is being sold, when compared to the post (before it is decapitated ) in the photograph, does not match. Did anyone else catch this? If you look at the piece of the alleged post that is being sold, and compare it the post in the photo, it is not the same. The shield that is being sold that is attached to the one foot long piece of concrete post alleged to be authentic, is in my opinion one of the replica shields that can be purchased for a fairly reasonable amount of money. In my opinion, it would be cheaper to buy the replica shield separately, and make your own Grenz Post.

[torstenbel]

I have major reservations about this auction, despite what the Seller is saying. Nice story and nice pictures to support the story.

The problem is, the piece that is being sold, when compared to the post (before it is decapitated ) in the photograph, does not match. Did anyone else catch this? If you look at the piece of the alleged post that is being sold, and compare it the post in the photo, it is not the same. The shield that is being sold that is attached to the one foot long piece of concrete post alleged to be authentic, is in my opinion one of the replica shields that can be purchased for a fairly reasonable amount of money. In my opinion, it would be cheaper to buy the replica shield separately, and make your own Grenz Post.

Michael, you lost me there... I have just been studying the pics for a while and to me they look like they are the same item??...I probably missed something, but I think that the colour pattern and position of the shield on the colour pattern matches that of the post??..unfortunately, he does not post a close up pic of the original shield still on the post to compare that he has got on the cut off piece of concrete....Cheers, Torsten.

[Mike G.]

Torsten,

Only the bottom partially matches. The top is absolutely off. No match at all. And the color is off as well, especially the yellow. I've got one of these, and trust me, the yellow is dark. Also, on the real posts, the shield is the same dimension as the post. On the piece that is being sold, the shield is of slightly smaller dimension and the concrete post extends on either side of thr shield. This is incorrect.

I think the Seller really took the top portion of a post, but I don't think what is being auctioned is it. I suspect he is keeping the real deal. I know I would. In fact - I did.

[torstenbel]

Hi Michael, how can you see on the far away pic of the original post that the colour pattern on the top is totally different from the section being sold??....I can't see anything much in that area on the far away pic, other than that there is something dark...obviously I have no idea if true or not, but I kind of still think that this might be the original piece, but the seller cleaned the shield at some point (probably with a wire brush or something horrible) and he certainly re-painted the post to make it look 'nice and fresh'... and you can also see that there is a little recess on the section of the post that is being auctioned, where the shield should sit, if it was attached properly, so either this is not an original shield and that is why it does not fit into the recess or he did not re-fit it properly after cleaning the shield and repainting the post, but I cannot imagine that he would hammer around on some random concrete post to create that recess for the shield and then not fit the shield properly, if this was a completely faked item...so, I think that the concrete post section is real, but I am 50/50 about the shield... sorry to rumble on about this, but once I get into something like this, its difficult to stop, but of course I will graciously accept if proved wrong... Cheers, Torsten.

PS: Yes, I have noted your current profession in your profile and I know that I should probably not argue with you over an issue like this..;-))

[Mike G.]

Hi Michael, how can you see on the far away pic of the original post that the colour pattern on the top is totally different from the section being sold??....I can't see anything much in that area on the far away pic, other than that there is something dark...obviously I have no idea if true or not, but I kind of still think that this might be the original piece, but the seller cleaned the shield at some point (probably with a wire brush or something horrible) and he certainly re-painted the post to make it look 'nice and fresh'... and you can also see that there is a little recess on the section of the post that is being auctioned, where the shield should sit, if it was attached properly, so either this is not an original shield and that is why it does not fit into the recess or he did not re-fit it properly after cleaning the shield and repainting the post, but I cannot imagine that he would hammer around on some random concrete post to create that recess for the shield and then not fit the shield properly, if this was a completely faked item...so, I think that the concrete post section is real, but I am 50/50 about the shield... sorry to rumble on about this, but once I get into something like this, its difficult to stop, but of course I will graciously accept if proved wrong... Cheers, Torsten.

PS: Yes, I have noted your current profession in your profile and I know that I should probably not argue with you over an issue like this..;-))

Torsten,

You crack me up sometimes, mate.

My profession ???

Listen, you are more than welcome to disagree with me on any subject, and as often as you wish.

Clearly we have a difference of opinion regarding this particular auction. I hope it is real. I suspect it is not. But that is my opinion. It will be interesting to see what develops. There are nine days to go. If real, this particular item should sell for top dollar - er, top EURO.

Seriously, this isn't about trying to prove someone wrong or right. Having actually handled real shields, and having actually messed around with real East German Border Posts, my gut instinct on this one tells me there is something wrong with what is actually being auctioned, versus what is in the photographs. But that is just me.

I very much respect your thoughts, and for that matter, those of anyone else on the forum that may have observations to share relevant to this particular auction.

For what it is worth, I too hope the item being auctioned is real. I merely wanted to express that I have reservations.

Cheers,

[olivyaya]

Here is an enlaged picture that could be of help !!!
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=kakbk7

[torstenbel]

Here is an enlaged picture that could be of help !!!
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=kakbk7

Hi Olivyaya, having listened to both mine and Michael's arguments....what do you think? Is the post real or not??? and what does everyone else think... Cheers, Torsten.

[olivyaya]

Mike on this post, the schild seems to be somewhat smaller than the post...
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=kal54h
http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=kal5hg