Finally the VM womens shirt with small anchor buttons (dated 'Y') and the summer dress.
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They could be different material from different years. The color changed over the years, so probably the material as well.Originally posted by grenzflieger View Post
You would think the Ground forces cap and Air force would be the same color, but they are not
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Here are two more uniforms.
The Hauptmann (medical branche) is marked '1962 / T'. As you can see the jacket has three buttons and flap pockets. It comes with a pair of trousers (post # 29) marked '1962 / I'.
The stabsobermeister 'militärjustiz' also with three buttons and flap pockets marked 'P / 1962' It comes with a pair of trousers with the same markings.
Though I haven't found any pictures of nva women wearing a jacket together with trousers Keubke claims that it was a possible combination.Comment
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I think so too that the quality, colour and material changed over the years. We have seen that with other nva items. Nevertheless the difference between the two hats I have is remarkable.Originally posted by myddrcaps View PostThey could be different material from different years. The color changed over the years, so probably the material as well.
You would think the Ground forces cap and Air force would be the same color, but they are notComment
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two more
I have some more female tunics but these two are interesting.
First one is a female LuSK jacket with skirt et cetera. The jacket is not marked in any way and doesn't have the flap pockets. There only is a small white size label with blue printing and inside there is also a label of ELDAMO Bekleidungswerke Zwickau.
The second one is a Offizierschüler GT. Normal size (white-red) label like all my other female tunics and flap pockets (marked 1962 / P). The great coat has no size label, markings or whatsoever.Comment
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The shirt is just unbuttoned. The collar is rather small actually.Originally posted by myddrcaps View PostI'll post a few scans from my Armee Rundschaus, the first two have the wide collar, or is it just unbuttoned?
Armee Rundschau 1976/2
Armee Rundschau 1964/9
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Markings inside the LuSK Leutnant jacketComment
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Gentlemen,
Marc Sherriff just sent me a picture of the NVA woman's long sleeve dress in dark grey.
Regards,
GordonComment
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The buckle of my dress is different compared the one on Marc's dress. Mine isn't square, it's rectangular. My dress is marked 'P'. You can find the markings behind the lowest button. Do you know what markings Marc's dress got?Comment
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The one I have is from the same maker, same wide collar, but is long sleeved and has the small buttons.Originally posted by Gordon Craig View Post
So this shirt is for MDI?
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Thank you Gordon.Originally posted by grenzflieger View Post
Here you go;
NVA
1/I
2040
The belt on my other Dark Grey dress is missing, and I have not recorded the markings as it is packed away.
One thing I have noticed in both official publications and collectors images, is the direction of the belt.
Marc
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Gordon, It's a dirty grey with a spot of brown. I allway's call them the Brown ones. The others are the grey ones. I found some in my storage and maybe next week I can take some Pics. I was really pissed last weekend as I forgot my Camera on sunday to picture all the Stuff I sorted for my Site. But now I know, that I have 307 RCAF Trousers in Stock. And only 2314 SV Ties.Originally posted by Gordon Craig View Post
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Maybe I have to sort my ones again. I think I detected 3 or 4 Different Styles of Buckles.Originally posted by grenzflieger View PostComment
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I don't think these are the same shirts. Mine is hard to do up and the collar still apears much larger than this one. It is obviously meant to be worn open. My shirt is marked MdI G 1906 on the inside of the opening at the bottom.Originally posted by myddrcaps View PostThe one I have is from the same maker, same wide collar, but is long sleeved and has the small buttons.
So this shirt is for MDI?
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GordonComment
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I've looked into my reference material (Keubke) and summarized the changes of the female nva uniforms through the years. All the information on female uniforms is fragmented so maybe this helps a little. Unfortunately there still is a lot of guessing.
1. The 4 button pocket-less jacket was introduced in December 1973. The vest and white pullover were introduced at the same time. The vest had 4 buttons too and side pockets. It's unclear if the vest had flap pockets (I don't think it did).
2. In 1976 the gesellschaftsuniform was introduced. Female officer jackets didn't have piping around the collar but did have collar tabs. The jackets had flap pockets. Female volksmarine officers didn't wore rank insignia, they only wore laufbahnabzeichen. Female officers couldn't wear an aiguillette. They wore the skirt together with the gesellschafts jacket. I'm not sure if the gesellschafts jacket had 3 buttons from the beginning but it was the case in the 80's, so I assume it did.
3. In 1978 (1st July) a new female uniform was presented due to a fashion update. The female jackets now had 3 buttons. As far as I can understand these jackets didn't have flap pockets. Also the white pullover was updated with knitted waist- and armbands. The vest was redesigned to, it was fitted some more to the waist. The skirt covered the knees and was closed with a zipper on the left side. The old (pre 1978) uniforms could be worn till 1979 (30 November).
4. In 1980 it was permitted to wear the trousers during the whole year on the stabdienstuniform. It wasn't allowed to wear the collar of the shirt over the collar of the jacket (was it allowed before?!). Females could wear the shirt or pullover underneath the vest combined with the skirt or trousers.
5. In 1983 the skirt was adjusted again to the current fashion and had two folds in the front (don’t know if it also had two folds before). The jacket still had three buttons and two side pockets but from now on also flap pockets.
a. Stabdienstuniform
The stabdienstuniform could be worn in 18 (!) different ways. The summer stabdienstuniform could be worn in three different ways, transitional and winter period in two ways. In summer and transitional periods one would wear a grey or blue hat. In winter the fur cap.
Summer
In case of high summer temperatures one would wear the newly introduced bright grey dress with short sleeves. It was allowed to wear a grey or blue (VM) neckerchief together with the dress. During colder summer days uniform jacket and skirt and in exceptional colder summer days the pullover (I think a green one) over the grey shirt with tie. Third possibility during summer would be to wear the skirt, the shirt with open collar (no tie) with shoulder boards.
Transitional period
During this period females could wear the summer / rain coat or the uniform jacket. It was allowed to wear the stone grey or dark blue (VM) dress with long sleeves underneath the summer coat. The dress could be worn with a grey or blue (VM) neckerchief.
A second option during this period would be to wear the skirt, jacket, grey shirt, tie and green pullover if needed. In stead of the skirt one could wear also a pair of unpiped trousers.
Winter
During this period females wore the great coat and winter cap and leather gloves. Underneath the coat one could wear the stone grey / dark blue dress or the uniform jacket with shirt and tie combined with the skirt or trousers. Instead of the jacket females could wear the vest inside buildings.
b. Going out uniform
Summer
The going out uniform consisted a skirt, jacket, white shirt and tie. During the summer it was allowed to just wear just a shirt with shoulder boards but without tie. The summer (rain) coat could be combined with these two variants. During the summer and transitional period the cap was obligatory.
Transitional period
During this period females could choose to wear the summer/rain coat and/or the uniform jacket.
Winter
During the winter winter cap, great coat and black 'leather' gloves were worn.
c. Gesellschaftsuniform
The gesellschafts uniforms were worn without aiguillette or medals. Just a 'interimspange' was worn.
Summer and transitional period
During these periods females could wear just a skirt and white shirt (no tie?!) for a kleiner gesellschaftsanzug and the jacket, shirt and skirt for a grosser gesellschaftsanzug. During the transitional periode one could wear the summer / rain coat or winter great coat but only together with a jacket and tie. The females cap was always worn.
Winter
During the winter there was only one variant: jacket, skirt, shirt with tie (combined with the great coat and winter cap).
d. Dienstuniform
There wasn't a dienstuniform for women. One of the combinations that could be made of the stabdienstuniform were used for 'dienst' tasks.
6. Changes of 1986
Stabdienst uniform
In 1986 it was allowed to wear the uniform jacket instead of the vest inside buildings.
Going out uniform
Female VM officers wore their white cap or side cap from the 1st of may to the 30th of September on their going out uniform.
Parade uniform
In 1986 a parade uniform for females was constructed. It consisted a uniform jacket, white shirt with tie, skirt, cap and parade boots. In winter the great coat and black leather gloves were added.
Gesellschaftsuniform
From 1986 on it was obligatory to wear the gesellschafts jacket on the kleiner gesellschafts uniform. There weren’t any differences between the grosser or kleiner gesellschaftsuniform. Female VM officers wore their white cap or side cap from the 1st of may to the 30th of September on gesellschafts uniform.
General
Female volksmarine officers or fähnriche didn’t wear any rank striped on the jackets.
7. In 1988 the female winter 'visor' was discontinued and from now on they wore a winter hat like males. From this year on females were allowed to wear the aiguillette and received a officers dagger when they graduated from the OHS. They didn't got a parade belt.Comment
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